April 4, 2007...9:15 pm
The Old Boys
And so it was written, that in femdom’s darkest hour, when all seemed lost and everything was broken, there would come an woman who alone would have the power to save everyone and everything from the horrors of misogynistic doctrine, penile obsession, stuff no one really finds sexy that has somehow become compulsory, disgusting disturbing parodies of femininity, the erasing of real dominant female desire and all the rest of that whole heap of stinking lies smeared all over this sexuality so it can become a thing that makes money instead of a thing of real bursting pure joy.
That woman’s name? Bitchy ‘Bitchy’ Jones.
Course, no one can be the saviour of femdom all the time. Sometimes I just like to take the night off and be nice to people.
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Now look, one thing I notice on all the various kinky places I hang out online and very, very occasionally in real life (i.e. less than never - I miss my delete key) , is that a lot of female doms seem to want their male subs young and pretty. Or at least, that’s something I often hear expressed.
Youth. Now, first of all, I can see why the youth thing works. The whole trophy sub deal. Women are raised to compete with each other. Doms can sometimes be a bit, well, you know, a bit grrr. Dom women so like to win. (Shut *up*, you so do.) And that, I think, is where the trophy sub thing comes in. Young good looking guy, dress him up, parade him around. And I *get* that, I get where it’s coming from. Nice to have something to boast about that’s as hard and non-negotiable as a number. But what I hate is the knock on from that that makes older sub men sometimes feel like they aren’t valued.
Like there’s an upper age limit on this thing. And age where you need to be put out to pasture. Stud years behind you. Now, you know, I think these men need to be called back up to active duty.
I talk to this guy online sometimes. Mr Blue Sky. I’m kind of slightly in love with him. He’s 44. Ten years older than me. He apologises for his age all the time. Reminds me of it like I must have forgotten and that is why I’m talking to him. The easy thing to tell him would be that I don’t care about age. But that would be a lie. I care. Oh god, do I care, I find his age really fucking hot.
Yeah, I know I’m sounding kind of mellow today – Imagine it Elizabeth’s ranting about femdom being crap whilst going on about enslaving men and hitting them with stuff and I’m all calm and nice and upbeatish - can you say body swap caper film? And no, I’m not loved up. Well, maybe a little in a kind of hopeless and futile and there’s-a-whole-ocean-in-the-way way. (Mr Blue Sky lives in hot part of America. Did I mention that I’m slightly falling for him?)
See, young men, young submissives, oh, they look pretty on your arm or under your feet or under your lash or under your table or under your thumb or under - you know - whatever (I haven’t run out of ‘unders’ there, btw – I could go on all night with this shit…under your floorboards, under your buttocks, under your gooseberry bush, under your 5 inch stilettos, under your natural innate superiority… See, all night - it’s what I *do*)
But parading is one thing, playing is rather another.
Because a bit of age and a bit or dirtying up and a bit of creasing and crumpling is so much better for your actual doing of the thing. A bit of battered and receding and graying and creping and sagging and crinkling. You know I like big. You know I like muscular. But I like muscles that have been well used.
Because younger men –see - are more likely to have their pretty little heads still stuffed full of nonsense from porn and pros. More likely to expect stuff to go the way of their fantasies. More likely to expect to secretly run the show. (Oh, and - newsflash -, subs are not meant to secretly run the show. That’s a lie. If the sub is in charge you’re doing it wrong. I prefer to think of it that the dom is the invading army, the sub is the enslaved population and the sub’s brain/groin/sexuality is a traitorous collaborator with the occupying power. No, I don’t overthink these things. What do you mean?)
But anyway, my point here is that older sub men are more likely to have been in a relationship with a real dom woman and therefore had all the prodom/porn crap beaten out of them.
Saving me a job.
And then, god, you know, I love experience. I like a man with a few stories to tell. A few techniques to share. Who’s knows his own body. A man who can take me aside afterwards and say:
Next time, you can make it really make it hurt for me if you…
That was great, but you know I can take much more than that if you want to just…
Well, if that’s what you really want, the only time I think I ever cried during a scene was when she…
And I like the romance of a man who’s jaded with it. Who knows that this stuff hardly ever works out quite right and doesn’t assume it will play like his fantasies. Who’s fucked it up too many times already. Who ruined his knees long ago. Who has a couple of scars from letting her do things he really shouldn’t have, but he let her do anyway, because they turned him on so much he wasn’t thinking. A man who’s not scared of his submissiveness or ashamed by it. Who doesn’t hate what he is and what he wants and start channeling that hatred into me.
A submissive man who doesn’t give a fuck what anyone else thinks when he goes down.
And here’s the biggest thing. The thing I’ve managed to acknowledge by stepping out from behind my arrogance and control freakery (comes on special offer with the whole dom package) apart from any damn thing else, I need a man who knows what to do when I drop.
Who knows that when I lower the strap and start shaking and am right on the brink of losing, losing, losing it that it won’t hurt the scene, or his ego, or his damn erection to reach up – to reach out of role - and take my hand and look me right in the eye and tell me that he loves me (even if he doesn’t) and that I should hit him again (even if I shouldn’t). Right now. A lot harder.
But you show me the piece of Fem!Dom! porn that teaches a man to do that. Experience teaches a man to do that. Age, experience and a heart like a fucking lion.
So, yeah, maybe that was really about experience not age, and not all older men are experienced. Some men come out really late. Some men have been in relationships with strange, inexplicably unsexy-kink facilitatory women, some men have been playing at being doms to get laid (*winks*), and some young men confound expectations by just being so wise and clear and knowing it makes me want to cry. So it’s definitely experience I’ve been really talking about here – not age.
But even age, just the raw numbers, can be special to me. And actually, that stuff I just wrote about is all great but it isn’t the reason I find Blue Sky’s age really fucking hot.
The biggest, simplest thing about age is this: I want men to give their power to me. The symbols of masculine power that attract me are physical strength and size, intelligence, status and, yes, age. Men in their forties (well that’s older than me, so shut up) are pretty powerful figures in society. Well, they are to me – they can certainly represent that to me.
And there’s a tiny extra edge of humiliation in a man submitting to a younger woman that gets me off extra hard. A big man, who is stronger than me, smarter than me, better educated, more affluent, more accepted and older, ten years older, giving that up to me. Me! That is a very, very powerful piece of power exchange indeed.
And you know how traditionally men are meant to like younger women because they are more naïve and easier to control…?


53 Comments
April 4, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Geezus Bitchy. Quit stealing my post subjects!
You are so right. And it’s not just subs. It’s any young man. Older men are *the best*.
I try and avoid young pretty ones. And each time I think “Oh, maybe this one will be better” I end up eating my words.
Apologizing for being 44? Adorable. You know that *I* live in a hot part of America, right? I’ll send you one of my UK subs ….
April 4, 2007 at 11:03 pm
My yes, it is a weird little place switch today, isn’t it? The world will right itself tomorrow, though, I’m sure.
It’s funny that you posted this on the same day I used Paul Newman images on my blog. I have a whole folder for Newman for an upcoming post entitled something like “Spanking an Octogenarian”. (I swear the man is still hot.)
Anyway, find myself generally attracted to men who are generally my age but, there are plenty of exceptions to that generality.
Good for you and Mr. Old Blue Sky. (Who is a year younger than me, pbbbbttttt.)
E
April 5, 2007 at 12:36 am
Just for the record, I’m 44 and hitting my stride. There’s nothing like a man who has his act together and knows his place before women.
john
April 5, 2007 at 3:47 am
ahh - well I am 45, and one of my subs is 62. They get better as they get older, too
April 5, 2007 at 7:10 am
hmm… interesting. Don’t guys go after young women because of some biological ‘good for baby making’ thing?
I’ve only dommed a much older woman once and it was largely the same apart from one huge thing. With younger women and those of the same age there always comes a point where I know I’ve sort of, *got them there* and I don’t need to push it any further (unless I really want to that is…).
But with this older woman it was like she just seemed to take more and more humiliation and the more degrading it got the more she *went*, as it were. Shit, I was almost out of ideas with her. Almost.
I still prefer to dom women my own age or a little younger; the way I see it any subfem under 23 is still too unsure to know exactly what she’s looking for in the sub stakes. between 23-30 though they still get that ’scared and humiliated but really, REALLY turned on’ look in their eyes. And I *love* that look.
That’s my two cents anyway. Oh and I’m 27, ya old cronies
April 5, 2007 at 7:43 am
Ack. Why have I not done that nested comments thing that I now have the technology to do? Because I am lame, that is why.
R - You can have my post subject, but not him. I like the fact he is a long way away. No pressure.
April 5, 2007 at 7:45 am
Elizabeth.
Maybe the 40s are just a hot era . We’re both after those 40 yo guys.
April 5, 2007 at 7:46 am
John
44 is a very good age for a male submissive. Old enough to know, young enough to learn.
April 5, 2007 at 7:48 am
Moira
62! Woah. Hard for me to get my head around. But why not? I can believe it works based on my own recent experiences.
I alao like a man with more play experience than me too. I used to find that hard to deal with - a confidence thing I guess - now I love it.
April 5, 2007 at 7:52 am
Tony
First of all - sociobiology is a bunch of crap. If all men wanted was as many children walking around as possible they’d donate sperm every week and love it when a woman wanted to have a hundred of his babies.
When I was 27 I liked younger too. 24, 25. Now I don’t. For me, it’s a confidence thing. I don’t know if it works the other way, but I took me a while to find the strength I needed for an older man.
April 5, 2007 at 9:28 am
I can see where the attraction is. As an assertive male, I find the idea of submitting to anyone ridiculous, I am 37 but the idea of being dominated by a younger woman would be almost insulting. I can imagine that it would be even worse if I was more established, more successful, more respected in society. For dominant women is there an element of big game hunting in this? Do you get more points for dominating a higher profile male?
April 5, 2007 at 9:39 am
Yes. We all meet up on the second Sunday of every month and whoever has the most ‘dom points’ gets to wear a special hat.
Then we have cake.
April 5, 2007 at 10:47 am
Well, you did say that dom women are competitive! Although personally I think a suitable hat for the woman with the most dom points would be conical with a large D on it!
Back when I worked in the financial markets I recall a good friend who was in his mid 40’s and definitely an alpha-type male who was surprised by a woman who invited a few of us to her apartment when the bars had closed. She took the opportunity to show him her collection of bondage equipment in her spare bedroom. He declined her offer but this seemed to encourage her no end and she persued him for quite a while afterwards, showing little or no interest in the younger brokers. I don’t know if she was a professional or she relied on her day-time job for her lifestyle, even back then large apartments in Fleet Street were not inexpensive!
April 5, 2007 at 12:09 pm
i am only 18 you’re scaring me with all this talk of people more than 3 times my age
April 5, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Only 18, maybe you should be studying instead of reading grown up smut like this!
April 5, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Acctually, come to think of it, when I was 18 I had already been working for 2 years, bought my first house and travelled around the world, somaybe you are ready for a bit of S&M. I guess you are a sub guy - good idea saying how young and scared you are, that must be like a candle to a moth to some of these women!
April 5, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Toni
I have never deleted a comment from this blog, but I will start if you don’t stop this.
If you really dislike this kind of sexuality so much maybe you would be better of elsewhere
April 5, 2007 at 2:23 pm
I don’t think I have said anything that indicates I dislike this type of sexuality, please clarify what offends you and I will make sure not to repeat it. I am just having, what I thought, was a bit of light-hearted banter.
April 5, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Okay. Maybe I’m just feeling a little sensitive today.
Play nice, okay. I have my period.
April 5, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Now you have got to be tempting a guy like me to make an offensive comment after that! But, hey you are a dom and this is your place, so i’ll play by the rules.
By the way, I have only recently got into reading blogs since my enforced return to London, (temporarily wheel chair-bound due to some reckless behaviour in Bangkok), so what do you writers expect from people posting comments? Due to the nature of this blog I would have thought that the rules were pretty hard and fast, (my kind of game), but I have noticed that some bloggers are very upset by some responses - as far as I know there isn’t any etiquette for this kind of thing! Maybe I should start my own blog.
April 5, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Toni, on earth we sometimes have these things called ‘conversations’. There are no rules for them either.
Just behave like a reasonable human being. I don’t mind you calling me up on stuff or telling me I’m wrong. But I’m going to get tired of you if you leave three comments in a row implying that dominant women are stupid and predatory and doing it for money.
Being a dom woman is fucking hard and often horrible and everyone thinks they know all about what you are what you do. I am fucking sick to death of the whole world assuming I am a stupid predatory whore who can’t get real man so she gets so pervert and panders to his stupid kinks. I am sick, sick, SICK of being expected to have a spare bedroom full of floorboard endagering gear, a wardrobe of vile black clothes (I *hate* black - why is black compulsory?) and fucking ridiculous shoes. Everytime I see a woman in high heels she just looks so vulnerable to me. I don’t get it. How can that be dom?
And now look. I was being so nice in my post about older submissive guys and I have flipped into rant mode…
Just be nice to me, Toni, and go get me some fucking chocolate.
April 5, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Hey, I am a nice guy! the story I related about a former colleague being harassed by the woman with the makeshift dungeon, I don’t know if she was a pro-dom. What I do know is she had a pretty impressive lifestyle - and back then I was making some serious cash for a 26yr old, so I think I can judge. And she never asked my friend for a dime even though he was loaded. The point I was making was she clearly had no time for the 3 young males - all good looking, that accompanied him and she focussed on him despite his clear lack on interest in her lifestyle. I wondered if the fact that he was a challange for her was behind this, hence how it relates to your original post. This was the first openly dom woman I had ever met and I will readily admit to knowing next to nothing about this scene. I am interested in sexuality and in people but like I say I am through my own stupidity currently left with little to do but surf the net when I am not trading online or when the markets are dead - like now. So I am inclined to question what I don’t understand. no offence meant and if I am taking up too much of your blog space then feel free to delete my comments, I can assure you I won’t be too upset.
April 5, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Anyway, as a good Catholic I know Easter is coming up. Surely you have no end of subs who will shower you with chocolate? Or is that a poor choice of phrase on an S&M website?
April 5, 2007 at 3:50 pm
No, no, Toni, not deleting anything. Even though I realise a big tough boy like you wouldn’t care if I did.
I think you were just starting to give me the impression that you were, I don’t know, offended by me somehow. So long as that’s not the case I’m fine and cheery. Cheerier if you’d brought that chocolate though.
April 5, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Nah, not really. Don’t have any subs.
I’m too disturbed by the double meaning thing to comment. Although, it was quite funny. But disturbing. And chocolate should be respected. Oh god, now I can’t even type ‘chocolate’ without reading it as ’shit’.
Damn you, Toni
April 5, 2007 at 4:18 pm
yups…. boys are like toys who can handle more rough handling
April 5, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Sorry to have brought that association to your mind but I am just learning the S&M lingo!
I am not a chocolate fan I am afraid, mainly due to my morbid alcoholism! Chocolate and Vodka don’t go together in my opinion.
When I was just a whippersnapper, I went out with an Indonesian girl who owned a cocoa plantation in Ghana. They made some seriously good chocolate, so if you are buying any, make it fair trade!
April 5, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Pegasus,
just briefly read the first page of your blog, I will read the rest of it later after all to paraphrase Louis Armstrong, at this point I have all the time in the world! It is so frustrating being immobile, I doubt I would respond well to being tied up!
So Pegasus, your blog doesn’t reveal much about you - tell us more.
April 5, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Thanks Pegasus. Hope you enjoy the blog.
Also, I should explain that I have a temporarily-disabled alcoholic city boy hosting my comments page today. It’s not quite the same as a 44 year old over-eloquent submissive Lancelot - but I’m getting rather used to his presence
April 5, 2007 at 4:42 pm
wow that was prompt…
i am a random stumbler who likes to sprinkle comments on articles I like.
about my blog…
half of my blog is about India…. which you can safely skip… rest is jokes/email forwards and links to articles i like
April 5, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Sorry bitchyjones,
what can I do I am just so bored! I can’t stand public holidays: the US markets will close early tomorrow and then no more trading until Tuesday. What is a restless city boy to do with himself? I guess I will watch some movies this weekend - I am also an insomniac! what do you recommend- please don’t say the secretary, saw it the other night on 4 films and it was dire!
April 5, 2007 at 5:10 pm
Toni - you need a blog.
April 5, 2007 at 5:27 pm
Why would I recommend Secretary? Have you been paying attention?
Well, Vampyra’s right, you could start a blog and WordPress are very good.
Or, I recommend, this
April 5, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Vampyra, you may be right but I just checked out your blog and that seems like it takes a lot of work! did you design all that? it is very impressive. I wouldn’t mind having a blog, i fancy a bit of verbal rough and tumble with other people, but I am not sure I have much to write about. I suspect I may be quite boring because I tend to do things without thinking too much! This has landed me in some desperate situations. bitchjones is right I am a big tough boy..6ft4 and 250lb’s. Actually I shouldn’t be an ex-banker, adventurer, I should be starting power forward for the Boston Celtics or maybe Heavy Weight champion of the World!
April 5, 2007 at 5:38 pm
Bitchyjones, I didn’t expect you to recommend the Secretary although for some reason it seems to carry a lot of weight in the S&M circles. As for Battlestar, I have watched it and think it is very good, although the Korean girl reminds me of a certain entaglement I had in Pusan!
April 5, 2007 at 5:44 pm
By the way bitchyjones, I must say that reading you blog is excellent entertainment for a housebound fool such as myself. I would recommend it to everyone but as you can probably tell, I am not the kind of person that has an addressbook of friends!
April 5, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Well, I’d offer to keep you company, Toni, but unless you are keen to be duct taped to your wheelchair, that really isn’t going to end well
April 5, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I hate this chair, but I will escape soon. I already practice walking even though I don’t have a walking cast. My ankle is broken in 8 places and my lower leg in 4. The quacks in Thailand wanted to amputate and even these fools in the UK say I will never walk properly again, they said I will be in serious pain when I am 60 - like I care about that!
And as for taping me to this damn chair, I would be enraged, so it wouldn’t be possible.
id you ever see that movie with Hugh Grant and Roman Polanski. Polanski was in a wheelchair on a cruise liner and there was an S&M theme running throughout. Can’t remember the name but it was a good film. Kirstin Scott was Hugh Grant’s wife!
April 5, 2007 at 6:17 pm
“If all men wanted was as many children walking around as possible they’d donate sperm every week and love it when a woman wanted to have a hundred of his babies.”
That’s not quite what I meant but, I see where you’re coming from.
April 5, 2007 at 7:14 pm
I think I should have children, both my brothers have 2 children-I am sure my genes need more appreciation than I have given them…but where to find a suitable woman?
April 5, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Toni
There are lots of WordPress themes you can pick from, it normally says somewhere on the blog who the themes by - no I did not make this one as I’m still learning I just installed it and chose the domain etc…
April 6, 2007 at 4:52 am
Toni - I think you mean Bitter Moon. I loved that film, though I had to look away when she went all submissive and threw her face at his shoes (I know, I should be more tolerant of other orientations or whatever but I was hoping to see a dominant woman having her shoes kissed and the beginning seemed to promise that and then *blam*, plot goes all maledom on us). But it was still a really good film.
Bitchy, you summed up why I am attracted to older guys perfectly. Perfectly. Thank-you.
April 6, 2007 at 10:16 am
Thanks Alexandra
Sometimes when I write a post I have someone in mind as a sort of ideal reader. Like, I think, well if they *get* this then I know I’ve nailed it. For this post, you were that person. So your comment means a lot.
Thank you
April 6, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Bitter Moon, that is the movie I meant, I thought it was cool - and it showed off Grant’s diverse and broad acting skills, what role did he play? Mumbling, self-obsessed public school boy - a triumph for the man of a 1000 faces!
I guess I am not your ideal reader bitchyjones, but don’t worry once the US data is out today I may logoff and wheel myself to the nearest boozer where I can offend people face to face. You would be surprised how many people are prepared to hit someone in a wheelchair, or maybe it is just my delightful personality that inspires this kind of rage.
April 6, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Being utterly biased (due entirely to my relatively young age), I would have to say that I would strengthen the notion of experience’s importance and weaken the link between that and age, as you came to later in your post. I can’t deny the fact that the older one is the more overall experience one has, and I may be overestimating myself and underestimating other people (which happens more frequently than I’d like to admit some times), but an older submissive doesn’t for virtue of being older seem to make them any better in my eyes. The same holds true for a dominant woman.
However, age itself is a wonderfully fluid thing, and there are certainly times when feeling older makes me feel less or more submissive–or dominant, for that matter–depending on the circumstance.
April 6, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Oh yeah, and also:
Yay for you for mentioning this! This is important, and I’m glad it’s being written about. It’s often those moments that make or break a relationship, I’ve seen. There’s no point to BDSM if it doesn’t allow both partners the chance to strengthen each other, in my not-so-humble opinion.
April 6, 2007 at 5:19 pm
That thing I said in the post, Maymay, the one about some young submissive men being so wise and clear? Well, I’m not actually saying that is about you, but I am saying that if I hadn’t thought about you I could have left that out of the post.
Also, now I think of it, age comes around, and you in 15 years in an interesting prospect.
April 6, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Oh and , I drop all the time, I am the queen of the drop. Now I’m self aware enough to know I need a guy who can put me back up.
Or I might as well not bother.
April 7, 2007 at 5:11 am
The implication in this is that at one time, you—like many others—were unaware of this. Again, I point to experience’s importance. She is, after all, the harshest teacher.
April 7, 2007 at 8:29 am
It’s kind of the point of this blog. To explain that and also to try and counteract some of the crap about what a dom woman needs to be. There were so many things I didn’t know and so much I thought I was lacking.
I’m not a pretty girl dressed in black latex. I’m not an ice queen. I’m not detached. I’m not sneering or even able to stick in role very much at all.
I’m this. And I’m just trying to be okay with it.
April 8, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Damn, just when I was feeling good about not having to be muscular eye candy, you go and let it be known that your other thrill are old ragged guys with beer bellys and scars.
Frankly, I kind of like my smooth scarless skin.
But then, you might be the type that I’d actually like if I saw you out. So you’d not get any thrill out of beating the hell out of me for not being atracted to you.
: )
April 8, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Mmm, ragged scars *and* muscles.
You wouldn’t fancy me if you saw me.
May 11, 2007 at 3:03 am
Love the style. Even fictional.
First time I subscribe a feed like this.
Brilliant.
Say, cool.
Keep it on. Best.
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