May 8, 2007...12:09 pm
The Last Cuckoo
This has been a little journey. All the way around the houses of what dom women don’t want, chucking all the clutter in a black sack marked not actually in any way sexy. And, you know, I think I might have found something out in the process. But before I get to my conclusions, we have one more thing left to talk about. And the clue, my dearest, dearest darlings, is right there in the title.
God, you know, I really don’t want to do this. I want to write more hot sexy stuff. I just want to be one of those hot femdom wankable blogs, really. But look, I promise, just let me finish this, kick it out the way and next time I am going to be so damn sexy your pants will burst into flames. Really, so make sure they aren’t nylon frillies that are going to melt and adhere to your testicles.
But – meanwhile - you knew I was going somewhere with this didn’t you? Well, we just arrived. The big one and the point. What dom women really, really, fucking really don’t want in any shape or form on any planet in the known universe.
And you know what, I hate to say this, but I am coming more and more to the conclusion that femdom could learn so much from mandom it’s actually embarrassing. Because in mandom the submissives are gorgeously sexually vulnerable and the dominants and having a fucking ball.
Daddy isn’t the default for nothing and when the guy in the leather waistcoat says he’s always right, well, maybe he is actually right. (Although not about the waistcoat.)
And deep down, really, I’d so much rather junk the whole of femdom and have something that was just like mandom but with the genders reversed - with all the Gorean chat rooms and bondage blow jobs and dubious politics and *cough* rape fantasies. (Ahem – yeah, feel the force - I’ll talk about that more in another post, I *promise*)
I don’t know if that’s because mandom focuses on the pleasure of the dom partner (because men buy the porn and subscribe to the websites) or because in (het) mandom the female subs really control a lot of what is going on. I suspect it’s a bit of both. I look at mandom porn a lot. And I squint and rev my imagination engine and flip the whole lot over – and fuck me if they don’t have great porn.
So mandom usually has it right. So if we find something in femdom that looks a bit crappy for the dom and we want to check it out – best rule of thumb – do they play that game next door? ‘Cause if there is no equivalent in mandom then we are almost always looking at something that is so divorced from the dom’s pleasure it might as well have moved to Switzerland and be on it’s forth husband. (I don’t know why I wrote that as a practical illustration of the concept of *very* divorced, but I did.)
And do male doms do cuckolding? No. (Not really. I’m sure someone has the comment window open right this minute and is about to tell me about some exceptional case of gender fuckery, and to you I say, stop! That’s irrelevant. That’s not culture defining. Show me the wiki entry for it and then we’ll talk.)
I should also point out that really, fucking other people for fun isn’t cuckolding.
Cuckolding isn’t about who fucks you – it’s about who doesn’t
I’m talking about the full blown little cuckold locked in chastity while sexilicious wifey (hotwife, yes I know, I’m trying to bring myself to type it without having to then go and slam my fingers in the kitchen drawer) goes catting round the town. (Sometimes showing a distinct preference for big black cock that is just so fucking racist I can’t believe everyone who calls themselves a male sub or a female dom is raving with livid boiling anger about it being anywhere near their kink. I know I am. It’s a fucking disgrace.)
But apart from that. What is cuckolding about? For the dom? It’s about not having your lover fuck you.
Cuckolding really can fuck off so many times. What a bunch of time wasting shit. You know what I want from a partner? From someone I live with? Someone I spend a lot of time with? Someone I love? I fucking well want them to fuck me. A lot. So fucking hard and so fucking well you’d think it was their super power or something.
Call me old fashioned, but I do like that in a man.
What is the point even, of having a man around the place if he doesn’t fuck you? And you know what this is related to? The big old myth that women let men fuck them as a *favour*. That poor old sub guy shouldn’t get to fuck us because it should be all about our pleasure. And I do know we have covered this.
Hey buster! Sexual intercourse is pleasurable for the woman! Getting fucked feels nice! What do I need to do? Sky write it?
Never ever fucking her is about as submissive as refusing to ever make her a cup of tea. (And you know how I feel about tea.)
Christ. Who wants this? For serious. Just some man sitting around making the place look untidy – or god, well, even if he is doing the ironing, even then. He doesn’t fuck! So poor old hotwife has to dress up and wax her legs and worry about her arse looking big and go out and find a cock while he just watches TV and masturbates/squirms frustratedly about how debased he is.
You selfish piece of shit. The whole point of being in a relationship is not having to do that. The whole point of a relationship is the easy – don’t have to dress up for it - sex.
And maybe cuckolding might have had a place in Elizabethan times if your husband had some kind of penis wasting disease or something. But we have divorce now. So if you don’t fuck me, you fuck off.
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So here, now look at this stuff we’ve found on our mystical journey with me as your angry foul-mouthed guide: cuckolding, emasculation, never fucking, strap ons, feminisation, sissyfication - they all come down to the same thing really.
I get off on how much I don’t get the woman off.
Now, hands up who can see the problem for the dom woman here, when this is one of the primary articles of femdom? Can you see why dominant women might not be lining up for this? Might not be lining up for men whose special skill is being the opposite of sex. All over the world, right now, dom women are choosing to *ignore* their *sexualities* rather than have a ball dominating submissive men. Why? You think it might have something to do with the message you keep transmitting about how female domination is all about having relationship with an intentionally sexually repellent and inadequate man? Which isn’t submission, by the way.
Let me tell you what submission really is.
Submission is about being desired. Submission is about being overwhelmed by another person’s sexual desire for you. Yes, you, you sexy fucking submissive bastard.
Submissive men need to learn how to be desired. Need to learn how to accept and receive and enjoy female sexual desire. Come on, catch up. You do know vanilla men got a lot of this sorted years ago, don’t you? The whole being sexually objectified thing. Get used to it. It’ll get you laid.
You need to learn to be the object of female desire. Dominant female desire. Desire for you pain. For your suffering. For your debasement. For your beautiful hurting body and your gorgeous fucking cock.
Desire that overwhelms you, overpowers you and *forces* you to perform. I hurt you, I humiliate you, you make me come - whatever - sooner or later, you get yourself hard, I take off the handcuffs and you fuck me while it still all hurts.
You fuck me to say thank you.
Now, if that’s not what you want. If you want something else. If you have, say, a fetish for how sexually repellent and inadequate you are and you want a woman to explain that to you, whilst laughing merrily. Fine. But this isn’t what I want and I don’t want these things representing me. Or being the primary representation of my sexuality out in the wider world.
Have your I-am-inadequate shit if you like, but, god, stop calling it submission, or female dominance, or femdom, call it something else and go and do that somewhere else and stop spoiling my favourite goddamn thing in the whole wide world.
Because what you’re doing. That fetish for serving women without *servicing* them. That’s the opposite of male submission. Because it has nothing to do with any kind of female sexual desire.
Mandoms have more in common with real male submissives than you do. At least they know where to put their cocks.


77 Comments
May 8, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Sorry to be one of the first to post a comment again Jones, I guess I really do have too much time on my hands since I gave up working for a living. I wondered when you were going to get around to the cuckold thing. This is a kink I really don’t understand, why anyone should get off on seeing someone else fuck your wife or girlfriend is beyond me. Most of my long-term relationships have ended because I no longer wanted to fuck them or because they knew I would never settle down. A sensible woman understands that if the man doesn’t physically desire them the relationship is on borrowed time anyway.
Whilst I enjoy your blog, it is not the only one I frequent and I recently got banned from a blog of a male submissive who professed to enjoy being dressed up as a sissy, humiliated by his wife and kneeling at his bedside while his wife was fucked by other men, he then licked her out afterwards. I pointed out to him that if he enjoys dressing as a girl, sucking and being fucked by his wifes strap-on and sucking other mens cum out of her then there was a good chance he may be gay or transgendered. He was, of course outraged by this and claimed that I was just some ignorant vanilla male who didn’t understand that he loved his wife receiving pleasure and that he was not in any way gay. Well I can’t defend my ignorance but I also can’t help noticing that the things he enjoyed were the things that you have singled out in your “What dominant women want” rant. Assuming he is a real person and not just posting his fantasies, I couldn’t help but feel his wife must be somewhat dissapointed by her choice in husband.
By the way, one of the other kinks that is completely beyond me and that I would appreciate your views on is this cash slave thing, where men just send money to women for nothing, what the fuck is that all about? Even when I had a huge disposable income I couldn’t imagine sending money to a woman just to feel humiliated.
May 8, 2007 at 1:31 pm
That. was. eloquent.
And very powerful.
I loved reading it, the point about “I get off on how much I don’t get the woman off” is really well-taken.
The plea - no, insistence - that femdom be sexy for the doms deserves a Nobel Prize
May 8, 2007 at 1:35 pm
well, nothing to be added to that
May 8, 2007 at 2:11 pm
*Tries not to sound like Le Pen talking about immigrants,when writing about male doms*
I agree and disagree with you here,Bitchy.
I don’t think femdom has something to learn from male doms, but with the feminist movement.
It weren’t the male doms who fought for the sexual liberation of women,and,actually they find themselves in a position always socially and historically considered as the normal one regarding men.Some are able to separate the waters but other dunces don’t.
I’ve read once a polyamorous female dom telling she wouldn’t make sex with her subs,because that would bias the roles!So,she only fucks her dom male. The problem lies in the fantasies het people created about sex ,where penetration is considered as a form of domination,where the woman is taken.
So, a woman who’s in charge cannot be fucked,but a sub can,because it’s “normal”!
I won’t even talk about goreans,because I’ll surely look like someone worse than Le Pen.
May 8, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Damn Bitchy! You go girl!
I have not been able to wrap my mind around the whole cuckolding thing…I always come back to…what’s in it for me?
Kate
May 8, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Thanks. I think I am unlikely to get a noble prize as the whole hitting men with leather straps and then having an orgasm might count against me.
And the swearing.
May 8, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Amen, Amen, Amen.
As a submissive man, the driver is absolutely being desired. I want to know that what I do - in every respect - is wanted, needed and indeed even craved.
The challenge to orient yourself in such a way as to meet her needs and expectations. The spur is the desire on my part to keep her desire strong.
And it is a challenge. It is not about being inadequate at all, but about striving and pushing and meeting and exceeding and all those things are essentially identified with strong, aggressive males.
I was with a woman once who found it strange that I sometimes referred to sex as worshipping the Goddess. It put her off that I viewed the whole thing as being about getting her off, that I would devote so much time and energy and thought to making her happy.
That was never in the sense of “driving her through the headboard” nonsense but in making her so satisfied she couldn’t take more. That gives me pleasure and I know - from experience - that if I am that much in her, then odds are higher that she will reciprocate.
We can get into a long discussion about topping from the bottom but frankly, I wouldn’t think it’s relevant. Even if she rolled over and fell into a deep, snoring sleep every single time, I’d do likewise knowing that I had shown her absolutely and undeniably how important she is to me. Her happiness is to be cherished.
Fundamentally, she’s in control since I am driven by her. My happiness is tied to her.
Does any of that make sense? Heaven knows that after way too many years of dealing with vanilla and other relationships, I find it so strange that some people never seem to get the point as I understand it.
May 8, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Kate
Good point. In fact I could have just written than, really.
May 8, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Toni
I’m going to write about findom really soon. But I am keeping my opinions super secret until then.
May 8, 2007 at 3:15 pm
Hello Tigersub
Well, you know, I am not at all adverse to being driven through the headboard.
I hate the phrase topping from the bottom. If subs didn’t explain stuff to me how would I find it out?
May 8, 2007 at 3:35 pm
If you dont get the nobel prize, you might get the Pullitzer for this one: “Never ever fucking her is about as submissive as refusing to ever make her a cup of tea.”
That’s the best, just like the rest of it.
May 8, 2007 at 4:38 pm
This is probably really inappropriate, but i find you extremely sexy, bitchy. not in any particular sense of dominant opinians or anything like that, just that i find you very intelectually stimulating and thats very sexy from my point of veiw…
May 8, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Thank you Diremane
I am nothing like this sexy in real life, though.
May 8, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I found your blog yesterday and failed to leave the house for a good five hours because of it. Sheer fucking brilliance.
The “pussy worship” article alone put into words what I have been trying to explain to people (including my boyfriend) about facesitting for months. He wasn’t as jubilant about it as I was, though.
Here’s hoping this comment does not make you itch, as I do own a pair of the boots to which you are allergic. But it’s from the other side of the Atlantic, so you should be safe.
Side note to Toni — why do you think the man in this very heterosexually-focused cuckolding charade is GAY? Cuckolding is all about het roles: say, the man’s “failure” as a straight man, and how he can serve the woman in any way, even if it means his debasement. Certainly there’s a lot of crossdressing, forced cocksucking and strap-on play, but it’s about humiliation (and homophobia, ugh), not homoeroticism. And the focus of it all: straight man, straight woman, the things that straight men and straight women are supposed to do.
Sure, the cuckolding guys might suck cock, but if there wasn’t a woman in the room to motivate them none of them would want to get it on. They’re all grossed out by each other after all. Doesn’t sound gay to me. And I’m a perv who can’t get enough gay, so trust me, I look for it.
I find it rather politically distasteful but hey, if it turns them all on and they’re healthy in the head, more power to ‘em.
May 8, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Hi Calico.
Thank you.
Tell your boyfriend I’m sorry. But only a little bit.
May 8, 2007 at 11:23 pm
Ah, Bitchy. One of your best if not *the* best.
Why have I never heard this put in words before?
“Submission is about being desired. Submission is about being overwhelmed by another person’s sexual desire for you. ”
Duh and Guh. At least the way I see it, feel it, whatever.
Thanks for saying it. E
May 9, 2007 at 2:02 am
While i don’t really have much to add, seeing as you said it best yourself, and Toni and Tigersub added their well-stated responses, i am glad that somone put out a well-stated and angry barrage against cuckolding. I have always found it repellent, and never really knew how to verbalise it, or even speak out, because it seemed to be such a revered and accepted part of the D/s lifestyle. My wife said(and i agree) that this was one of your best rantings ever.
May 9, 2007 at 2:37 am
Best. Quote. Ever :
“So here, now look at this stuff we’ve found on our mystical journey with me as your angry foul-mouthed guide: cuckolding, emasculation, never fucking, strap ons, feminisation, sissyfication - they all come down to the same thing really.
I get off on how much I don’t get the woman off.”
I love love love you! This is so true. That doesn’t mean I don’t think there’s also room to contests it in isolated cases, but in general it is, even when women have the illusion of power, it isn’t as long lasting, meaningful, or intense as men’s power.
I’m a female bisexual switch and a feminist who’s been reading your blog for about a month. The way you analyze the gender issues working themselves out in F/m power exchange really registers with and engages me. Some of the things you’ve mentioned give me pause and help me recognize and overcome misogynist and patriarchal influences in my own bedroom. You make me question my own sexuality and gender image.
So, after I thoroughly kissed your ass I thought I might ask you about some points I am unclear on. I hope this isn’t something that’s not done. Forgive me if it is. I’m not one to know when something is not done. Love your blog. Did I mention that?
I should mention, in making this criticism I struggle with issues of choice, and I am not sure how much choice is really choice and how much is influenced by social constructs. Sometimes I have to disagree when you seem to make assumptions that what you’ve experienced as misogyny in the bedroom is experienced in domineering ways by other women. An example is strap-on sex.
I too enjoy being fucked by a man who I’m dominating, and like you I don’t experience the penis as a tool of conquest or associate the phallus with power. But I also enjoy using a strap-on on a man when I’m dominating and when I’m submitting, if and because he enjoys it physically and psychologically, and because it gives me a rush. You said in an earlier post that you enjoy whipping a man even though the whip is not connected to your genitals. So even though the strap on is not connected to my genitals, it still makes me wet to use it on a man in either orifice (but this might just be because I enjoy bisexual men and like watching oral sex).
Since I don’t associate having a phallus with being a man, and being penetrated with a phallus with being a woman, I don’t see how you can claim that these things are harmful and in support of patriarchal notions of Male as good and powerful, and female as evil and weak. In fact, isn’t part of the point to queer these associations?
I mean, the point point of course, as you know, is getting off, fulfilling mutual needs, but here I mean the point of critiquing sexuality with a feminist lense.
May 9, 2007 at 3:21 am
I mean, I don’t’ mean to associate your point with any universal point but I just thought I would engage you on some thoughts you stimulated in me.
May 9, 2007 at 6:51 am
Thanks E.
I figured that out thinking about mandoms and female submissives. And once you think about in terms of submissive men it is just so fucking sexy and *right*
May 9, 2007 at 6:54 am
Afterthefall
Thank you both. I starting to thnk d/s is so full of revered stuff that is absolute crap. So many things need to be called up. And I just thought if I started other people might join in.
May 9, 2007 at 7:00 am
Coquette
Well you might not associate penetration with a phallic object as a male act, but you know, it is really.
My objection is the idea that fucking a man with a strap on is a required part of any femdom sex act. That it is the culmination. That image of the woman sneering with this ridculous projection from her crotch and play acting like she is a man with an erection desperate to fuck.
If it turns you on, fucking do it - I’m sure I said that. But it is not the ultimate act of female domination.
You *can* dominate someone using a cock. But you don’t *need* a cock to dominate someone.
May 9, 2007 at 11:31 am
Again Bitchy, another proof that mainstream “FemDom” is not really Female Domination, but a perverted form of male domination that puts a woman in charge doing exactly what the man wants her to do.
Just to check though, you weren’t arguing a female dom can’t have fun on the side, just that not having fun with her poor man is stupid.
May 9, 2007 at 2:02 pm
another proof that mainstream “FemDom” is not really Female Domination, but a perverted form of male domination that puts a woman in charge doing exactly what the man wants her to do.
Umm… you write as if that’s a bad thing.
Personally, I’m okay with it.
No, really.
May 9, 2007 at 3:30 pm
Boy
I think that different kinds of relationships work for different people. I don’t think a woman should sleep with other men just because she’s dom, but I think that kind of relationship is absolutely fine.
May 9, 2007 at 3:31 pm
TomHot SlaveAren’t you meant to be toiling away in some fields under a boiling sun?
May 9, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Thank you, and agreed. Domination and monogamy aren’t mutually exclusive, and speaking personally with ten years and counting, can be a lot of fun.
May 9, 2007 at 6:08 pm
Yeah. except for that thing where you are being a panther boy in upside down Go-, hang on, you didn’t actually *agree* to that, did you?
I’m not very great at monogamy (except when I’m really busy). I’m also not very great at being in relationships with people who are also in relationships with other people.
May 9, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Some kind of harem type arrangement would work well for me.
God, I’m so fucking lame and predictable
May 9, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Aren’t you meant to be toiling away in some fields under a boiling sun?
Er… don’t you mean “broiling” sun?
Elizabeth hasn’t held the auctions yet, so I’ve just been wandering around, picking up these frilly undergarments, spiked-heel shoes, and cast-off strap-ons that have been lying all over the landscape.
May 9, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Er, no, in the UK we say ‘boiling sun’, but broiling does make more sense. We don’t say broiler though.
But enough boiling/broiling talk. I’m sure I paid three dollars and some small change for you.
Hang on, I have some proof of purchase somewhere.
May 9, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Yay! Thanks so much for addressing cuckolding.
You said something like this but I want to say it again: racism seems to be a primary motivation in cuckold scenes. You can see this in the people on the fliers, the links to interracial stuff from cuckold websites, and so on. It’s about playing out false cultural stereotypes of men of color raping or seducing white women.
May 9, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Amen!
cuckolding, chastity, and denial (for any prolonged period)…. to channel Kate here, what’s in it for me?
May 9, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Peppermint
I think the race issues feel even more pronounced and disquieting due to the low numbers of non-white people involved in kink.
But yeah, buying into that nasty stiff about black men being ultra virile (I think originally started by the Victorians to animalise them).
There is also a strong sense in which the fact the guy is black somehow serves to degrade the woman. And, you know, I don’t even know where to begin with that.
(Also - and on a very different note - you are incredibly cute)
May 9, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Pepomint, from the brief searches I have made on the internet, cuckolding does seem to have a rather nasty racist element to it. Perhaps it is the physical aspect of balck males seen in sports such as basketball, NFL that encourages this. I live in the UK and am 6ft4 and pretty broad and notice that when I am in predominately black areas such as Peckham, Dalston etc that there are far more people of a similar size to me, they just happen to be black! It seems to me that the cuckolded men associate black men with a threatening physique that they are powerless to compete with. I have had a few black friends who made it quite clear to me that they were aware of the sex drive/penis size beliefs of certain women and the guys I knew were fairly dismissive of white women that went out with them just because they were black. One guy I was having a drink with told me that his girlfriend thinks that he doesn’t notice that she is checking out his friends and associates and when he was drunk he told me in his opinion she didn’t love him she just loved the idea of being with a black guy and if it wasn’t him it could be any black guy and that she didn’t realise how insulting that was. Having said that he also took full advantage of white girls who wanted a bit of interracial experimentation.
May 9, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Well, you know how things get in these small, upstart little countries. I’m sure the proper paperwork will be processed and any week now you’ll be able to enjoy the sight of me doing yard work in the b(r)oiling afternoon sun.
But that’s not why I’m here. I wanted to be uncharacteristically serious for a moment.
I’ve been monitoring the chastity community for several years now, and I have been surprised - amazed, actually - at the “crossover” kinks of “sissification” and cuckoldry; so much so, in fact, that I can think of several people who have pretty much stopped their involvement with several web groups because they began to fear that chastity devices would become too strongly identified with cross-dressing and/or “hot wifery”.
Personally, I don’t “get” those kinks myself, so I’m often at a loss when people (usually men) write to me for advice on how to incorporate chastity with their desire to have their partners (almost always a wife) have sex with other men.
I can - sort of - see how wearing a device can tie into the “I have a useless penis” mindset, which, I suppose, could be extended into the necessity for finding other men for your partner. But personally, I don’t want my partner to not want my penis; I want her to want it, and to make me realize how much I want to use it on (that is, in) her.
Submission is about being desired. Submission is about being overwhelmed by another person’s sexual desire for you. Yes, you, you sexy fucking submissive bastard.
First, I love this quote. I’m going to use it, and when nobody’s looking, I’m going to tell them that it’s mine, because it’s that good.
But why isn’t submission also about wanting to see pleasure in your loved one? If you have a kink for erotic humiliation, and if your partner has a kink for causing erotic humiliation, then why is cuckolding bad - except, of course, for the friggin’ ludicrous name? (And dont’ get me started on the moniker “hot wife”. My own wife hit an early menopause, and I can tell you hours of stories about “hot wives” and believe me, none of them are particularly sexy.)
That said…
Since I don’t “get” this, and have no cognitive reference for how it’s supposed to “work” for a couple, I just wanted to toss that out for the sake of discussion. I can’t think up any good articles for my own blog, so I’ve got to come here to rummage around.
May 9, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Seriously, I wrote something so good Tom Allen could claim *he* wrote it and no one would know any better?
I like chastity. A lot. You may notice I have not included it in the above. So long as I get to take the thing off and have access whenever I want. That’s the key. So long as I have access I’m happy to take away his. I’m happy to own a man’s cock. I like cock. I don’t like my-useless-penis very much at all, but I can really get into my-useful-penis-that-has-been-locked-up-by-a-horrible-sadist
I don’t suppose cuckoldry as a one off negotiated act between two people can be wrong. It’s the prevailing culture I rail against. The perceptions. What potential dom women see and are repulsed by.
Oh and all the stuff where it so blatantly comes from the man and is then presented as the woman’s sexual desire. All that just makes me itch. I mean, you only have to look at the number of toppish women in this thread saying, hell, yeah, what’s in it for me, to see that cuckolding really isn’t about pleasuring your partner. Most women would rather have sex with their partners.
Now, will you get out in that field
May 9, 2007 at 9:30 pm
“I’m happy to own a man’s cock. I like cock. I don’t like my-useless-penis very much at all, but I can really get into my-useful-penis-that-has-been-locked-up-by-a-horrible-sadist.”
Yep, what she said!
May 9, 2007 at 9:37 pm
I have to disagree with you on the he has to fuck you for a loving relationship thung - if it is a loving and not just physically mutal sexual relationship then you don’t need to have sex with each other - it is the icing on the cake.
But then I’m married to my best friend so that probably helps. He also has sexual dysfunction and I have a very high sex drive - there are ways around it.
And Toni he is most definatly het but wants to watch me fuck other men - he wants to watch the expression on my face etc…
Having a husband who desperatly wants to have sex but often can’t I’m finding the concept of this cuckholing? (ok I couldn’t be bothered to go and look up the spelling ok) a bit skin crawling.
I think I’m also being a bit dim here - I don’t understand all this stuff about black men being degrading?
May 9, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Why do some of comments get stopped for moderations and others not?
*scratches head*
May 9, 2007 at 9:42 pm
But we’re not talking about sexual disfunction. We’re talking about the woman making a pretence of not letting her husband fuck her.
Anyway I think it’s always better to stick to generalities. Each relationship works differently.
Moderation system is my secret.
May 9, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Seriously, I wrote something so good Tom Allen could claim *he* wrote it and no one would know any better?
I’ve had a distressing number of “Damn, I wish I’d written that!” moments here. But those couple of lines were striking, and charmingly insightful.
you only have to look at the number of toppish women in this thread saying, hell, yeah, what’s in it for me, to see that cuckolding really isn’t about pleasuring your partner. Most women would rather have sex with their partners.
Okay, I now see that you and I are on the same page with this. I was thinking that I had misunderstood. “What’s in it for me?” is actually a good question to ask in any sexual relationship - not because of some economic transaction, but because it gets to the root of the issues with regard to who’s doing what to whom and why.
And that might be a good way to explain to the cuckold-ites (jeez, I still can’t get over how friggin’ ridiculous that word is) just why their partner of 19 years is resisting their “suggestion” that they go off and find some other man whilst they sit home and wait. Your partner is having an intense sexual relationship with *you, * you big doofus! She’s hot from making you beg, and she wants to be pleasured; now you’re going to deny her the emotional pleasure of being intimate with you?
Okay, I’m off of this subject, since I don’t get it anyway.
Now, will you get out in that field
Sorry, it’s getting late for broiling field work, and it’s time to go home and broil dinner. Will it make you feel any better if I stand very close to the hot gas grill?
May 9, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Well apart from anything else, finding people to have sex with you is work. Needles work. Why should anyone do that just to facilitate someone’s kink and then present it as their desire?
When he’s right there. Able to provide the service.
May 9, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Really enjoyed this blog, Bitchy. You’re such an intellectual dom. I know you say you’re not like this in real life, so it must be a real fun ride inside your mind. A legend in your own mind…and I mean that in absolutely the best way.
I’m not a sub, but you make it sound so fucking sexy!
May 10, 2007 at 2:57 am
You’re such an intellectual dom.
A dom? Look:
No spiked stilletto-heeled thigh boots.
No uncomfortable leather garments.
No men dressed in women’s clothes.
No strap-ons.
OzG, aren’t you paying attention? You see any of that “dom” stuff going on around here?
May 10, 2007 at 7:00 am
Tom
Will you shush. I’ll lose my licence.
May 10, 2007 at 11:27 am
i just have to insert a little giggle here at the way tom and bitchy are talking to eachother….
ok… on to the main event;
after some thought i came to a simplistic way of explaining a great deal of issues with.. well, *life* (ok perhaps “our society” would be better but i like the melodramitics)
everyone seems to be trying to think with their heart and love with their head, it’s just not on and its tearing up our whole culture into what everyone can see it’s heading to if they just open their eyes and shout “we’re going to crash, stop the train” (see? melodrama)
dang nabbit (not said NEARLY enough) i hate that we, as a society, tend to attach little pseudo intellectual tinges to everything and ruin it for anyone who feels passionately about anything at all and then feeling emotionally unfullfilled we have to express that by becoming jaded over things that should requre rational thought and this makes everyone pissed off and secretly hating the world for being so superficial and the only way to deal with that is to try to think through it but you’re so emotionally jaded that you cant and just attach little pseudo intellectual judgements onto things and hey presto you’ve crossed “go” and carry on back around into a self annihilating spiral down and then before we know it, it’s just too late to fix things
May 10, 2007 at 11:30 am
sorry, that was a bit mad and ranty, but i do feel very strongly on that if you can decode the insane ranting into coherent thought to understand
May 10, 2007 at 11:31 am
That merits repeating:
“I’m not a sub, but you make it sound so fucking sexy!”
Which may not sound like an achievement, but I sure think it is…
May 10, 2007 at 12:55 pm
Thanks.
It actually isn’t hard to make submission sound sexy
May 10, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Well, no - but you make the thought of being on the receiving end of it sound very sexy, and that isn’t entirely the way I’d thought of it before. My loss, of course. And I’m always glad to discover new arenas.
May 10, 2007 at 9:45 pm
“trying to think with their heart and love with their head”
Diremane, more than just a catchy phrase, that’s a really interesting observation, it “resonates” (ooops too trendy, let’s say it hits home), actually puts a description to something I’ve been hard put to name but have experienced first hand.
May 10, 2007 at 9:49 pm
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May 10, 2007 at 10:21 pm
Toni:
Sorry, my last comment was stealthily US-centric. Over here the racist elements of cuckolding specifically play into a very long history of using the supposed sexual aggressiveness of black men to feed racism: lynching was all about supposedly protecting white women from black men. Of course the whole time (and I think still today), it was much more likely for white men to rape black women. So really the whole thing is a cover-up for very real bad racial sexual dynamics.
May 10, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Bitchy:
I think the race issues feel even more pronounced and disquieting due to the low numbers of non-white people involved in kink.
Yeah, it’s like “welcome to kink, let’s pigeonhole you into this nasty racist role”.
(Also - and on a very different note - you are incredibly cute)
Eeeeek! Thanks - I’m totally flattered.
May 10, 2007 at 11:55 pm
I love reading your blog Bitchy but once again I’m at odds with your conclusions. I see the whole cuckolding thing as very hot. I wouldn’t want to play around with it these days but many years ago a girlfriend would tie me to the end of the bed while she did another guy. The feelings of jealousy were enormous. To a certain extent I channelled my jealousy into eroticism. This I believe managed to forever disarm the green eyed demon.
This action hadn’t been my idea. I’d never barked bossily ‘cuckold me, woman, and then make me tea ‘. She’d arranged the whole thing because, and here’s my point, she had a delightfully perverse sadistic sense. She did it as she knew I had jealousy issues and she fancied the guy.
So altho, like you, I find the scores of wannabe cuckolds frankly embarrassing, I also have huge admiration for those women who really get a charge out of doing something that society frowns upon. Surely if we’re talking ‘female led relationships’, the female can get away with cuckolding the man without being accused of doing his bidding and simply being a dupe.
Clearly there are ‘uncle tom’ type women out there but it’s my guess there are just as many empowered women who really do get off on the behavior. I say good luck to them.
May 11, 2007 at 12:00 am
David
I think what your talking about is quite exceptional
I think what your talking about is something different to the generalised view of cuckolding that is based on the idae that - for some bizarre reason - a woman who is dominant wants to have a primary relationship with a man she doesn’t want to be fucked by.
May 11, 2007 at 12:22 am
As a submale I never got the cuckold thing either. If I am with a woman I want her to want me not another guy.
I think in the Mf world there can be a desire for a man to have multiple women. But in that world the man is still having each of the women not having them in chastity.
Now as to sex. Correct me if I am wrong but my impression in the Fm world is that women usually want sex less than men. Thats one thing that is great about mandom, all that sex, there just aren’t enough hours in the day for it and I hardly ever see that in femdom. One writer even defined femdom as a woman having the power to decide not to have sex with the man. See there it is again, not having sex. I want to be wanted and desired by a femdom.
Now to that pussy worship thingy. Assuming a woman can have multiple orgasms and can have a man service her anytime or anywhere why wouldn’t she want it. Just tie the guy up and when you are ready you know what to do. When you don’t want to hear him whining, stuff a gag in his mouth. Men are really simple creatures.
Its kind of a good thing that men can’t have as many orgasms as women. That pleasure center in the brain would have just led to there never being any type of civilization at all.
To sum it up, I still say men want sex more often than women. In the femdom world if women are not getting the kind and amount of sex they want I don’t understand why not.
May 11, 2007 at 4:58 am
You get way, way too many comments for me to read through them all because I am a lazy bastard (and I have just come back from the gym, so I am an especially lazy bastard right now).
That being said, let me simply remark that I can not wait for you to find some sexy, beautiful thing that you actually become happy to be with, find to be self-aware and self-loving. You do a good job of pointing out exactly what is wrong with the way most men (and many women, by the way) think about kink, but I would be way more interested reading about some of the things you’ve experienced that have been positive.
May 11, 2007 at 7:20 am
f of a
In the femdom world if women are not getting the kind and amount of sex they want I don’t understand why not.
Because men aren’t letting us.
May 11, 2007 at 7:26 am
Maymay
I will. I mean, soon as I sort all this out I’ll have as much great sex as I can cope with, right?
But truly - I know I somtimes writes as if I’m marooned on an island in an ocean of sexual ineptitude. But really, I *do* know how to get what I want. And I do get it. Promise. I just don’t get *exactly* what I want and when I do I’ll probably write ‘The End’ on this blog.
May 12, 2007 at 2:07 am
“Because men aren’t letting us.”
My simple male brain just does not comprehend this. Isn’t it up to you to have what you want once the man submits? Do you tell your man what you want even if you would rather think that he knows when its clear he probably doesn’t. Don’t want to be too thick but if you can answer it I think you would be entitled to some kind of nobel prize or something if you can just explain it to the other half. Something like a list of steps maybe and don’t leave out something you take for granted.
An algorithm maybe.
Is is something you want us to do?
Is it something you want us to be?
To feel?
To say?
Not to do?
Do sometimes and not do other times?
A little help.
June 11, 2007 at 7:16 pm
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July 2, 2007 at 10:38 am
I so love this! It totally covers all that is wrong with males who claim they are submissive but really I think are just kinky.
I encountered a male once who called himself a “foot cuckoldist”. If I understood him correctly, this meant that he wanted to put his mouth on a femdom’s foot while she fucked an alpha male.
This particular individual saw no importance in there being any special relationship between himself and the dom. He had no clue that even the idea of cuckolding is meaningless without there being a primary relationship between the cuckold and the femdom.
And that is a prime (and particularly distasteful) example of what’s so utterly wrong with so many non-experienced male fantasists whose fantasies don’t include the object of their fantasies as an actual human being.
I’ve played with other males while my slaves watched, or helped, and that was SOOOO hot, I can’t tell you how hot. I don’t think they regarded that as being cuckolded, though, because they weren’t jealous, I wasn’t humiliating them, and also I’m polyamorous, and they all knew that beforehand.
( well, one was jealous, but he was pretending not to be, and anyhow he turned out to be a miserable stalker, and how am I supposed to accommodate jealousy if they don’t tell me about it? )
( that was just an excuse to get something hot in my comment. Could you tell? Did it work? )
I insist on being a human being, and require to be regarded as such. Now, that’s not to say I don’t enjoy a wee bit of grovelly worship every now and then, cos I so do.
But my point is, I loved this post and everything you said about how the male’s fantasy isn’t serving her at all, rather more like drive through self-service.
Thanks Bitchy.
Lubyanka.
July 17, 2007 at 11:44 pm
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August 18, 2007 at 2:56 am
Right on the money with this cuckolding crap.Why do many of these stories have black men being the bulls.Why because in the mind of the white male who writes that crap the black man typfies some sort of caveman or a patriarchal sexuality.You know he is brutish and uncaring and the woman just wants him for his cock.Supposing in the stories the dominant woman goes off with these black men for their sensitivity and their better ability to be emotionally advanced.She goes off with them because they are polite and courteous and they can lick longer and better.
I think there is a strong element of homosexuality in these stories.Whys describe how potent the man is how big his penis is etc.Perhaps that is why the small willied protaganist of these stories can’t get it up for the woman.I don’t just think I know.Why describe how they are forced to suck the “Bull” off or the semen from the woman if they are so het.
There is also a class thing to though that is often implied when the race thing enters the picture.
You also quite rightly mentioned about the whole concept of being with a Black man being degrading in these stories.They are often janitors etc so they get them on race and class.
And have you seen those “interacial” sites like its a kink just to go with people who happen to be black.They make me vomit.The protrayal of what black men are supposed to be like from them and the white mens rape fantasies are really vile.
Even in the 1920’s America few white males reading stuff about “white slavers” ever put two and two together and realised that the Arab or black slaver stories just highlihgte their own sickness.Reading about how terrible these dark skinned fellows were and how evil whilst getting off on the evil themselves.
I was profoundly moved by a great film “Bad Bad Sweet Ass’s Song” made in the 70’s which really demonstrates the way people have been treated in the sexual field.
March 24, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Hi Bitchy,
We just read this post as Tom Allen referred to it recently.
We are a very happily married couple together for 16 years. We both enjoy our Femdom lifestyle and it includes chastity and cuckolding. It turns us both on and feeds the lust in our sex lives. Our games bond us more closely.
We think your views here narrowly define these activities in a destructive, abusive context. We do what we do so that our sex is hot and fulfilling.
Regarding your references to Maledom. Many dominant males get off on having their submissive women submit to whomever they choose. There’s a whole subculture known as hotwifing which is predominantly a Maledom domain. Furthermore, you’re not suggesting that these dominant male creatures don’t believe they have an inherent right and duty to fuck any female they can, are you?You’re being facetious, right? All male doms are in monogamous relationships and wouldn’t dream of breaking their marriage vows?
We feel that whatever turns people on is acceptable even if we ourselves don’t choose that particular path. We’ve never gotten infantilism, grown people regressing to being babies for sexual kicks. But we don’t condemn them or the activity just because we personally don’t want to engage in it.
Honestly, sometimes we feel you bitch just for the sake of bitching. We understand that’s the territory you bit off but sometimes it misses the mark and limits what you might otherwise address more constructively.
Best,
scott & Emma Kelly
March 24, 2008 at 8:24 pm
There’s a whole subculture known as hotwifing which is predominantly a Maledom domain.
And the difference between that and cuckolding is what? Exactly? The bit where the woman pretends she’s in control.
March 24, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Hi again Bitchy,
What we said was that this is a sex game that we play together… emphasis is on “game.” Neither of us is really pushing the other around. Both of us, as partners and adults, are doing this together because we both like pretending in this context. If we don’t enjoy it, we don’t do it.
In addition, and we’re pretty sure this will open a whole new can of worms, we’ve played, though not exclusively, with black men. The black men we’ve played with love the interracial aspects of it. We’ve found that what on the surface seems to reinforce racist stereotypes actually relaxes the vestiges of racism that still exists in a fun and intimate way. It’s a double paradox-cuckolding to bond couples together and racist sexual stereotypes to reduce racial tension.
Perhaps in America, where interracial porn, is a multi-billion dollar business, the very activity of indulging “fantasies” serves as a safety valve. Racial tension still boils beneath the surface as is easily seen in recent events surrounding Obama’s preacher. Ask a black person if racism is a thing of the past. But do bear in mind that the black men that play with us are not in any way our slaves. We put up a personal ad and they come knocking. We’re not forcing them into anything. They are looking for “white married pussy” and love to play the role of Mandingo invader.
Afterwards, we all laugh about it. The role playing activities are fun but no one mistakes them for reality.
Best,
scott & Emma Kelly
March 24, 2008 at 9:22 pm
They are looking for “white married pussy” and love to play the role of Mandingo invader.
God, when you put it like that I can see why cuckolding is so central to femdom. That’s the most dominant-woman-y thing I’ve ever heard.
March 24, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Invader?!?!
Oh Jesus pissing Christ…
March 24, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Come on, Bitchy,
We recognize that in your role as “Bitchy,” one of your purposes is to provoke thought and opinion. We hoped that you would respond in that spirit.
Your position on this topic implies that you have NO DIRECT EXPERIENCE here. We, as experienced participants, have a different view.
Again, we are a very happy, long term couple. We are not professional sex workers nor pornographers. We believe that good sex, hot sex, helps foster the robustness of our marriage. We enjoy playing these roles with partners who enjoy playing complementary roles. We don’t see anything wrong with that. But you are entitled to your opinion.
We felt though that in this case your views were uninformed, perhaps unavoidably negative, and analogous to a non-meditator referring to Tibetan lamas as “just a bunch of guys sitting around sipping bad tea and doing nothing.” True as far as it goes, but in the case of your uninformed opinion, not very far nor very deep.
We have tried to engage you on a more thoughtful level but it seems another of your purposes in being “Bitchy” is just to be glib and combative. Too bad, because there really is a different side to this that many of your readers won’t get. That really is a disservice to couples.
All the best,
scott and Emma Kelly
Mrs. Kelly’s Playhouse
March 24, 2008 at 10:19 pm
You know, I can live with that. Just call me Bitchy ‘disservice to couples’ Jones
March 24, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Cool. We’ll do that.
Best,
scott & Emma
May 10, 2008 at 5:26 am
What is wrong with having this fantasy or desire. I don’t want this to ever stop! My wife cages and sissifies me atleast once every two months (sometimes twice in a month). On weekends she will go out for hours at a time (or even the whole weekend). When she returns, the fun begins. I love the cream pies and then being taken by her strap on. So all those women and men out there, you should try this atleast once. Once you try it, you will never stop.
June 3, 2008 at 6:01 am
MsBitchy I have been quietly stalking you for a couple of weeks now - as I dip my toes FemDommey waters. Love your writing style - and this is a great post, on several levels. Having come from the Gays (i’m a straight female) - I’ve been finding myself wondering what would the M/ms do? I’m not sure what their take on cuckolding is, or if it’s even relevant to them really, but my best friend and I (he’s hopelessly vanilla, but a good top in the gay sense of the word) were wondering if the M/ms practise Orgasm Denial the way F/ms are “supposed” to. Our guess is no - because it’s all about the money shot. Ecstasy and release on your partner’s face is priceless. I plan on using the M/ms as my guidepost - but really - “what’s in it for me?” works just as well.
Oh an back to the topic at hand? I find cuckolding racist, revolting, and degrading. And pathetic. Oh and juvenile. And the one cuckold that tried to get me to fantasize with him (not in real life), I wound up creating a scene where he could just take all the black cock he could handle while I stayed clothed, acting as his procurer. Took it like a champ!
in any case - keep up the good work!
June 13, 2008 at 6:01 pm
“Let me tell you what submission really is.
Submission is about being desired. Submission is about being overwhelmed by another person’s sexual desire for you. Yes, you, you sexy fucking submissive bastard.”
This makes me kind of miserable. Life as an ugly fat female submissive is really not easy.
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