So, the other evening I was watching TV with Pan and I started hitting his balls with the remote control…
Now here’s a funny thing. CBT, right, is fucking huge. If you look at what pros talk about on their wacky prodominatrixin’ is, like, so the best fun eva! I get paid to make bitch-face blogs – they seem to do a lot of CBT. There they go with weights and parachutes and clamps and tiny little whips for cocks and ball presses and all sorts of specialised clap-trap.
Oh yeah, and sounds. The most confusingly named item in the whole of femdom.
Then, if you look at femdom porn – I’ve been looking at lot of porn lately, which I swear is for research for a big porn investigation post (My eyes! They burn!) – they do a lot of CBT. (Again with the tintsy whips and crushers and extra spiky boots for the k-nicking in the k-nackers.)
If you read stuff written by shabby-equipment-poor-amateurdoms, you’ll see a lot less CBT chat. (There are only 4 blogs written by amdoms on tintrawebz so that research doesn’t take long.) And I have never seen a dominant women talk about CBT when she talks about what she really burns and aches to do to a guy in fantasy.
Oh, on the dungeon walls flickering candles highlight the blood and in the darkest corner all you can hear are his moans...as I kick him in the nuts!
It’s not a big trope in dominant female fantasy (shy little gazelle that that is). Why is this?
And more the point – the point being about me – why am I not hot about CBT?
I mean, Bitchy Jones, why are you not the world’s biggest fan of CBT? You never shut up about cock. You have all those t shirts. You are some kind of cock worshipping femdom anomaly. Get with it. You love cock. You love manpain. Surely, surely, you want to bring your two biggest passions together?
Ah, but…. But, but, but, but…. All my pain fantasies were forged in the white-heat of prepubescence. Where this stuff uncoils for all of us. And what the fuck did I know about cocks and balls then? I didn’t have a fucking clue what was going on with me (not like now, then) – I didn’t even get this connected to that weird intangible thing called sex until years later.
Oh, I but I knew about whipping and torture and medieval devices and imprisonment and oubliettes and hanging and thirst and muscle and fighting and men sweating and screaming and bleeding and hurting. All that was available to fantasy-forging me. All that I could imagine. And did.
CBT? Not so much.
Young submissive guys on the other hand – well, I can see how their ideas might form there. That makes sense. Or even for gay dominant guys. But I just don’t think women have a proper idea of cocks and balls at the moment in time when there sexualities are being molded and the stuff they come over and back to is settling in the fuckypervy parts of their brains.
And that’s not the only problem. The first is that it isn’t beating in my heart. the second is that there is no connect.
Once I said that I thought sadism was masochism turned onto another person. I still think that is true. If you’re doing the kind of emotionally engaged d/s-y smackaround I like to do – it all comes back to you. Everything I deny him is denied to me. Sometimes I can’t bring myself to do the humiliating thing I want to do to him because I am too mortified by what I want to see.It’s complicated and it’s messy but in one way it’s simple. It’s all about me.
Hurting him his all about my empathy. Testicles, that little slot in the end of his cock – it gets hard to imagine how that goes on inside of him. There’s no equivalent to hitting yourself with the strap and getting a quick idea of – at the very least – the *nature* of the pain.
And that not knowing takes the edge off.
All is not lost. I do think a women can be talked into CBT by the right man. It’s tricky, ’cause you do have to do it all on reactions. But when a guy (or even a website) says, here’s a fucking easy way to get that look on my face you adore so much, a little experimentation, a little surfing on his moans and breathing hitches. Kind of nice.
A few nights ago I was squeezing Jack’s balls and we actually had a moment based around me saying, ‘You know I really do have *no* *idea* how much that is hurting you.’
But there’s no deep, deep fire that that’s damping. Straps and canes and cages and thirst and piss and rape and metal bondage and duct tape and evil queens and warrior princes and sacrifice and dragons and facial bruising have been there forever. Those things made me. Will always, *always* spin me harder.
And without the empathy, CBT always makes me feel a bit like a paid-for, approaching it with a pasted smile that says oh look he squeaked when I did that and a view that this is kind of *interesting*.
And we all know that immeasurable pleasure never bolts out of a gate marked ‘interesting’.
So CBT’s a guy thing. And you probably all think you know where I’m going next, don’t you? Ragement. You’ve read these posts before. I set it all up then I knock it all down with incoherent swearing.
I start saying, ZOMGZ you fucking asshats, women don’t want this. Stop clogging up my culture with lies about women wanting this stuff. Stop misrepresenting me! Stop disenfranchising me you evils!
But, weirdly, this raging doesn’t happen when I think about CBT. I think because it doesn’t really seep into the mainstream. It’s not there with the rubber dolls and the ladies’ maids and phallic bullwhips and the even-more-phallic silicon cocks of femdom as-it-is-seen-to-be by real people.
Which makes me think, huh, I guess that even if submissive men and their molls control everything *inside* femdom, what gets out is clearly more defined by tropes of mainstream sexy. That the woman looks good and although she is strong her power is comes from two female-undermining tropes of physical beauty and masculinisation (lack of emotion, cock-cock-cockiness).
While it’s inside the femdom-dome it’s all about what will get male subs’ cocks hard. They’re paying, after all. Once we get outside, it’s more about a teasing idea of sexy-exotica that all men will buy into.
And for some reason, they don’t want to face the harsh reality of being repeatedly smacked it the balls with the remote control.


82 Comments
September 17, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Him: I’ll do anything you want
Her: Anything?
Him: Absolutely Anything!
Her: How about taking this boot off?
September 17, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Okay. I have one, and only one, CBT fantasy. Because on the whole I am mildy interested, but not very. But I have this one.
I have mentioned I like piercing, and also scaring the fuck out of people. So I have a plan, in some hopefully not too distant future, to put a nice sharp needle right through the top of the head of May’s cock. And then pull it out. I have seen this done. It bleeds a lot.
I like this fantasy mostly because it makes May wince whenever I mention it, and that is a thing I just adore.
Clearly this fantasy is not about CBT even remotely. It’s about fear, and vulnerability. That’s something I can get behind.
September 17, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Also, you have this *huge* thing about reactions.
Huger than mine. And I quite like them.
Pan is having this done to his cock, voluntarily, quite soon. Pan is ker-razy
September 17, 2007 at 7:11 pm
Hey.
I’ve just stumbled on to this site, and I’ve got to say, I’m a fan. You make some really thought-provoking points.
Anyway, here goes: I’m a submissive, masochistic male. There, I said it. Phew.
Next point. As much as I used to fantasise about being dominated, whipped and spanked by a gorgeous sadistic girl, the thought of her kicking me (or worse) downstairs never once entered my head. I never once dreamt of telling my friends some of the stuff that used to haunt my wet dreams, but that wasn’t one of them!
I mean, I’ve always done my best to indulge in a dom’s fantasy (which you do point out is the whole thing here) but there is a point where I have to say no. (Not as in “please, no, please don’t whip me, please let me go”, but “fuck no, you can’t kick me in the balls!”) Apparently I’m not submissive because of that. I’d quite fancy arguing against that.
Anyway, I’m going to read some more of your blogs and maybe post again later.
Thanks.
September 17, 2007 at 7:14 pm
I think men are likely to have CBT as a hot button – but I don;t think they necessarily would.
Also, for sure, whoever dom told you that you weren’t a sub for not wanting to be kicked in the balls? Hey, she the clever. This memo went round, subs aren’t allowed limits any more.
You miss it?
September 17, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Also, you have this *huge* thing about reactions.
Yes. Secretly, I am so, so easy.
Good for Pan. Sounds exciting.
September 17, 2007 at 7:27 pm
That one must have got lost in the post. I’ll blame the carrier pigeon.
It was a casual online chat where I was told I couldn’t be a sub as I wouldn’t willingly submit to testicle pain and “strap on play” as she called it.
So despite the fact that thinking about being whipped, caned, tied up, pissed on, laughed at etc made me rock hard, apparently I can’t be in the submissive/masochist club…
Hmm.
September 17, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Oh, Withnail, something tells me you’re going to like it here.
Here’s the strap on play post to get you started.
September 17, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Thanks for that link. I’m still finding my way around so that was handy.
I have to say, I reckon the best thing about this is I don’t feel like “my head is really fucked” anymore. Or my wife’s head, for that matter.
I noticed you’ve got a thing about femdom porn being rubbish. I agree. So much so, I stopped looking at it, even during my University days when I needed a wankbucket. Trying to explain the stuff I was into with partners was really awkward, as society seems to have a view on what femdom is. Bollock pain apparently.
Oh, the relief to receive a text from my then gf (now wife) saying “I want to cuff you to the bed and spank you til you beg me to stop”(with a little evil laugh)) rather than “I’m going to stick my 12 inch strap on up your arse and then cane your balls.”
And your “being on my back but being on top” line may have come straight out of her mouth, so I can confirm you’re not on your own there!
September 17, 2007 at 8:22 pm
The CBT thing just makes me think: “Yeah – but, I was using those. I’d rather keep it all in working order. That would probably work out better all round.”
Sometimes I think I might like my cock too much to be a proper submissive, but then again, I’ve learned that submissive kicks don’t all have to be in the nuts.
September 17, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Perhaps we both like your cock too much
xx
September 17, 2007 at 9:45 pm
There are plenty of worse things to be addicted to than my cock.
Remember – the first taste is free…
(Again with the not particularly submissive? What am I thinking?)
September 17, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Ah, now me, I adore CBT. It does indeed make me feel like a mad scientist — ooh, what an interesting reaction! Now, what if I do this? — but really, I get all warm between my legs at just the thought.
September 18, 2007 at 1:13 am
Hm, I am a woman who recently started thinking CBT might be fun to do. The idea of poking stuff in holes sounds hot to me (spot the lame pun). Kicking someone in the nuts however? No, can’t say I ever fantasized about that.
September 18, 2007 at 1:22 am
And with your birthday festivities looming, Bitchy, what about that other prodom staple that might be on everyone’s mind, forced bi? I think that, like CBT, that might be one few amdoms are interested in. I’m assuming most amdoms and their partners don’t have the repugnance/self-loathing about homosexuality that makes it such a prodom money-maker. Imagine paying someone to supervise the loss of your same-sex innocence. I can’t imagine women doing that, and I guess that’s why so few pro male doms can eke out a living.
September 18, 2007 at 1:36 am
While I have greatly enjoyed clothespinning certain bits in the past and the whimpering that ensued, I’ve never thought kicking someone in the nuts could possibly be sexy… and I do like my steel toed boots too, but there are better uses for them.
September 18, 2007 at 2:59 am
There they go with weights and parachutes and clamps and tiny little whips for cocks and ball presses and all sorts of specialised clap-trap.
Not to mention the pictures of friggin’ clothespins attached to the bits. Clothespins! I mean, wtf is up with that? Who wants to see pictures of clothespins? Shiny steel weights, tight leather, chains, hell yes. But clothespins?
The mind boggles.
September 18, 2007 at 3:22 am
And you can buy clothespins painted black for that extra menace. And an extra $1 per pin.
September 18, 2007 at 5:09 am
I think Jenn may have touched upon it, I tend to see CBT as a sort of continuum. There’s clothes pins or clamps or light flogging on one possibly interesting end, and then there’s shoving pointy objects through them or kicking them on the no way in hell end.
Moderation may well be the key here, I think.
September 18, 2007 at 8:47 am
How many times have we heard,
“REAL doms do/don’t (fill in the space)”
Now we gotta hear,
“REAL amdoms don/don’t (fill in the space)”
?
September 18, 2007 at 9:32 am
ooops – “REAL amdoms do/don’t (fill in the space)”
September 18, 2007 at 9:37 am
I know what you’re saying and I’m sorry if you don’t like it, but things are so fucked up. I’m using some pretty heavy generalisation machinery to fix things, I know. But I am aware of it – and you’re going to have to trust me.
September 18, 2007 at 9:41 am
Pan bought me some clothes pegs one night when Jack was coming round. We discovered that one of the reasons they might be so popular in porn is that they don’t really hurt. At all. Getting a reaction of of Jack with a clothes peg is no easy task. Mind you I wasn’t using his C or his Bs.
I don’t think they look pretty. CBT is very hard to make look pretty. I love a nice cock pic – but in CBT pics the cocks tend to be a bit, well, a bit purple. That’s not nice.
I think the same thing about breast bondage. It just looks so horrible. With tied up women pics – much as I don;t get it on *that* level, I can sort of see what they are trying to do. But the minute the boobs go purple – you lose me.
September 18, 2007 at 4:19 pm
I’m a fan of clothespins (pegs, if you prefer). I like ‘em because they are easy to use and were involved in some of my earliest bdsm memories. And because they are cheap. But you’re right that they don’t hurt very much.
Thoughts of CBT don’t affect me much on a visceral level, it’s true. My sense of what having your balls struck, kicked, or squeezed feels like is not a pleasant one – it feels ooky in my mind. And I’m not really into ooky.
So I play painfully with the boy’s cock and balls some, but not a ton. (I don’t think it does super much for him either.)
September 18, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I enjoy CBT play, but when I am playing the mad scientist. Literally. I get out a clip board and I put on a white coat. Then all sorts of “oh, that’s interesting” things get me hot because the real background energy is that he is my helpless victim.
September 18, 2007 at 4:40 pm
I can go with both these things. I mean I get the idea that they are just *there* and you can do stuff. And it seems silly not to if you like pain and submission to pain.
But, ack, there’s no…
I never masturbate over it. Do any women masturbate thinking about CBT? That’s a good question. I want to know that.
September 18, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Ok a masturbation question. Geez, is that what it takes to get me out of lurkdom?
Bitchy, I’m one of those amdoms, still a fan, and additionally I like people who make up new words.
I don’t, and I think can’t, masturbate to images of CBT. I do enjoy *doing* some forms of CBT, mainly penis spanking and light ball spanking. But somehow it doesn’t push my kinky buttons enough to masturbate to. Neither does ass fucking, which I also do — and enjoy– on occasion.
I think the reason is close to what you speculated, at least for me. When my sadistic and dominating tendencies were getting daily, near hourly fantasy exercise, and my kinks were being born, I had no idea what PIV sex was all about, never mind DIA (dildo in ass) or CBT. I was preadolescent, for goodness sake! So those activities, as hot as they might sometimes be, came later, *with partners.* Those ideas came from the men, really. They aren’t mine.
CBT can jive with sadism, and with domination. So can ass fucking. I get that. But my inner being says… yyyyyyyy..No. Those things are part of the variety, part of the spice (condiments??) but they need a main course in order to be satisfying.
September 18, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Yes. Exactly that.
September 18, 2007 at 7:22 pm
I get out a clip board and I put on a white coat.
Please, feel free to elaborate. In the interest of science of course.
September 18, 2007 at 7:27 pm
We’re *always* doing science on this blog.
Maybe you could elaborate, V. While we’re waiting…
September 18, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Now if you have a mtf transsexual lover a masochist may find himself surprised that her precise knowledge of c & b (particulary the b) leaves her otherwise happily cruel self uncomfortable with the prospect.
At first.
September 18, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Do I masturbate to it?
The idea that it hurts while he’s fucking me b/c of something I did down there? Tied his balls up or put clamps on? Or jerking him off over clothespins or needles? Yeah, I masturbate to that.
September 18, 2007 at 9:31 pm
Totally seconded, withnail. i never got into the CBT at nearly the level it seems to have permeated this world, and have gotten plenty of shit for it. Piercing, cutting, bleeding at all definitely make up one of my limit-walls. (and i’ve had some horrible experiences with icy-hot that have made me briefly consider moving that wall in a little)…BUT…part of me still likes it when it gets to the CBT (which is usually pretty quick). It’s one of those things i can rely on that i actually don’t want to do. It’s not like the strain, sweat, pain, piss, bonds, yearning, control, rape that you don’t-but-really-do like. It’s the point where i think to myself’ ’shit. i really don’t want that clamp there.’ And there’s some worth to that, imho.
September 19, 2007 at 2:47 am
Clothespins depends heavily on placement and how long they’re on and whether you play with them or not… it’s really inexact and can be just “look what I made” pretty or actually painful. CBT on the clothespins end of the spectrum makes the sadist me really, really happy, but I need something less abstract to get off to… maybe a CBT scene with something else, but not by itself. It’s something along the lines of that empathy bit that was stated before.
… like maybe he’d have to fuck me while any movement of his balls at least makes him wince because of the clothespin placement on the sensitive, stretchy skin….
September 19, 2007 at 2:56 am
chopsticks work better on nipples than clothes pins and they’re prettier too. You just use rubber bands on either end of the sticks to supply the squeeze, and push the rubber bands closer together for more pain. Then you can play twisty games.
September 19, 2007 at 4:46 am
I love CBT. Like, more than a friend.
I get off on causing other people pain, and CBT is such an enormous short cut. It’s almost automatic that the pain is interpreted erotically for both of us, and a cock that stays hard while I’m making it welty and bleeding really, really, really turns me on. There’s something hugely hot about causing that level of pain… screaming, writhing, gasping for breath pain… with so little effort on my part.
I’m sitting there, smiling, driving a foot into his balls, or twisting the dials on a TENS, or squeezing or twisting the clamps, or digging my nails into him and raking across the so sensitive skin… and he’s crying and screaming and begging him to stop. He’s nearly broken, I haven’t even raised a sweat, and he KNOWS we’re going to be going for so much longer? Hot,
September 19, 2007 at 4:47 am
As for sounds… for me the appeal is in the “really fucked up penetration” aspect.
September 19, 2007 at 5:20 am
Duh-oh, sorry about the previous… I meant to type the following, but hit enter in the wrong window. Feel free to delete previous.
…And if the tour group would like to step this way, we can see through the glass that the charming and lovely Firefightrix has begun her study in amotivational erotic pain conditioning.
Hm, oh yes, simply put, she is attempting to determine if a man can be made to be ejaculate solely from physical stimulation which would normally be interpreted as pain if it is presented in an erotic context, and the effect on the male libido of restricting him solely to this method of orgasm.
Very well, for the lay people, she’s going to see if she can beat him until he orgasms so many times that it becomes the only way he can have an orgasm.
Hm, oh yes, the table is stainless steel and quiet cold I’m told. Look, you can see her subject trying to arch his back to get away from the freezing metal, not that it’ll do much good with those leather straps holding him down. Well, most of him down, looks like part of him is definitely coming up.
That’s a joke by the way. *sigh* No one appreciates my humor.
Ah, you see, phase one is beginning. She’s elevated the table, and warned him that moving his head will get him a lash to his cock or balls with that small whip she’s holding.
The point in that? Well, you may note she is also taking off her top, and is, er, manipulating her breasts. Very scientific… manipulation… of…
Ah, the subject has looked down, and received a lash. Didn’t like that I don’t think, but I think he’s going to look down again. Yes, the whipped cream seems to have convinced him… and another strike to the fun zone with the whip.
And another look… another strike…
Well, I’d say our Dr. Firefightrix is going to have a very interesting paper by the time she’s done with all her testing.
What’s that? Oh no, it’s a three month study with multiple phases. This is just day one and phase one for our subject…
September 19, 2007 at 7:11 am
I knew you’d have something specific in mind.
You’re the most depraved person who comments on this website. And I’m including me.
September 19, 2007 at 7:12 am
Zonk (or anyone) can you make a humbler out of chopsticks?
I’d really appreciate knowing this quite quickly.
September 19, 2007 at 10:48 am
For me…
your lover, relaxed, casual, intimate, leaning in towards you in the middle of a conversation, perhaps even a disagreement, (though for some reason you’re naked and she’s at least half dresssed) and suddenly.. she’s squeezing. hard, until your knees buckle and your face crumples in pain and all you can think of is.. “please, please stop.”
Hot.
On the other hand, I’m very much opposed to the concept of sticking bits of metal through myself.
So does that mean I’m into CBT or not? or does it make me a big wuss?
September 19, 2007 at 10:55 am
That makes sense. I mean, it is right there with the power thing and the pain thing. I can totally get that.
It’s kind of like – it works find in my forebrain. It makes sense (insofar as my sexuality makes sense). But it’s not there in my hindbrain. It’s not going to just pop onto my head as I’m turning the vibe up to 7.
It just doesn’t.
September 19, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Yeah, but I don’t actually do any of this stuff, I just think about it 17 hours a day.
Hm, not helping my case here, am I?
September 19, 2007 at 2:59 pm
If you’re thinking that if you *were* doing it that 17 hours thinking about it would go down – well, my experience, you’re wrong.
It. Never. Stops.
(Kind of like Arnie in the Terminator)
September 19, 2007 at 3:00 pm
There’s some sort of reason to not do CBT?
My own reluctance comes more from “When I get high on hurting people, I get really intense, and I know this area can’t take as much as others”
than any kind of “I don’t want to hurt the central pivot point of your sexuality.”
I’m having a hard time imagining why sadistic people of any gender/body wouldn’t want to, really.
September 19, 2007 at 3:04 pm
And sounds I’d love to try. Turning someone else’s *cock* into something to penetrate = win, in my book.
September 19, 2007 at 3:12 pm
I’m having a hard time imagining why sadistic people of any gender/body wouldn’t want to, really.
That’s interesting. ‘Cause what you say makes perfect sense. Except… ack, I’m losing my thread.
This one baffles me actually.
September 19, 2007 at 3:39 pm
The only time I think of kicking a man in the nuts is for self defensive purposes.
That’s not to say that I don’t get into cbt, I do, but my goal is not to cause permanent damage, I just want to cause enough pain so that when he moves the next day he gets a nice memory of what we did. Besides, if his cock and balls are out of working order then that means no fun for me. And I do love having lots of other pleasurable fun with his dangling bits.
September 19, 2007 at 4:08 pm
Zonk (or anyone) can you make a humbler out of chopsticks?
Keep in mind that this is theoretical from my perspective, but I’m pretty sure you could. (If we have the same idea of what a humbler is.)
You’d need 2 long chopsticks, 2 rubber bands and probably a length of rope as well. Also a submissive or masochistic man with a fairly loose scrotum. Pull his balls back between his legs, postion the chopsticks above and below them perpendicular to his legs, and attach with rubber bands on each end. The wooden humbers I’ve seen are big enough that he can’t step off them, but chopsticks are smaller, so you could use the rope to tie his thighs together and keep him there. That man is *not* standing up.
I will test this theory at the earliest opportunity and report back.
September 19, 2007 at 4:32 pm
I might just beat you to it – what with my time difference advantage
September 19, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Except that I don’t appear to have any chopsticks, rubber bands or, er, rope…
Can you make a humbler out of handcuffs? Forks? CD cases?
September 19, 2007 at 5:11 pm
I’m pretty sure you could make a humbler out of any two long skinny objects that wouldn’t break and that you could somehow tie together. If they were long enough to stay in place easily you wouldn’t need the rope. Um . . . rulers and string? Long forks and string? Do you have any of those long salad forks?
Okay, I have to stop writing this. The visualizations are making me laugh too much.
September 19, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Can you make a humbler out of handcuffs? Forks? CD cases?
I think MacGuyver made one out of paper clips and some chewing gum one time…
Actually, you might be able to make one out of pencils and electrical tape. You’d have to tie or tape their thighs together, per Eileen’s suggestion, I’d imagine. But theoretically it should work.
September 19, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Ooh, I have found some long strips of rigid plastic that have broken off the kitchen. And I have duct tape (I always have duct tape).
I imagine this BDSM pervertable business is much easier for people who leave the house more often.
September 19, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Two long wooden cooking spoons my do in a pinch.
If desperate enough, and if you have them, the handles off of two toilet (loo) plungers works.
September 20, 2007 at 9:40 am
Ahh the circular and tangential arguments over pleasure and pain that go on here make me smile and shake my head. I admit I’ve only read this post and one other some months ago, yet the trauma of understanding seems to be a constant thread. (Pun intended.)
Being kicked in the nuts, hard, is not a pain to be enjoyed. Period. The pain is so intense as to be barely remembered afterwards. I imagine it’s akin to childbirth – afterwards, the brain erases the memory of the pain to a mere intellectual understanding.
However, the art of delivering pain to an intensity that can be enjoyed by both parties is exactly that, an art. Of course it should be explored by brave folk, why not? But, to me, nut kicking is just that. Nuts.
September 20, 2007 at 3:08 pm
The weird thing about this comment is that I got 0ut of bed *with* Jack to find it in my inbox.
Obviously, you are a different Jack. But I am easily confused.
September 20, 2007 at 6:25 pm
extra spiky boots for the k-nicking in the k-nackers
This cracked me up, because I have the mental image right there. Was it last Thursday? Who knows really.
Pain is good. Cock and balls? Sure, why not, but I have a vested interest in maintaining the function of those parts.
Also, the bit about formative sexuality — I need to take another few years of psychology before making an informed comment — but I think you’re right. I’m straight, and I love sex with men, but cock only interests me as it pertains to my own pleasure. I’m not all that into genitals. Weird, huh? I never thought much about it before.
I would much rather kick someone in the ribs than the nuts.
September 20, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Kicking is too much work to be sexy for me.
September 21, 2007 at 9:16 am
BJ, you get confused easily? No, I’m a different Jack in your ‘in’box …
I love strong women who know what they want.
That gets me hard.
Calico said: ‘Pain is good’.
That doesn’t get me hard.
I can intellectualize how low-level pain can enhance pleasure, sure. How inflicting pain can provide pleasure to the administrator is harder for me, though as it’s through the supplicants responding pleasure, I can perhaps understand.
(Forgive me if my terminology is weak, and my questions naive, I’m not a part of this scene.)
Is S&M learned? Or a response to puberty experience? Is the desire to be a sub-male the creator of the dom-female? Or vice-versa? How did you become to know this is what you enjoyed doing? Accident, boredom or deep desire?
September 21, 2007 at 10:07 am
You’d have to be pretty damn bored if you thought becoming a sadist would help.
I tend to avoid the ‘why are you like this?’ question. I don’t know. Just am. Why isn’t so important most days.
Some people like pain. Some people like what suffering for another person means. Some people like both. Again, I have no idea why this is – by I am very lucky that this is the situation.
September 21, 2007 at 10:51 am
Questions like that just remind me of the Heterosexual Questionnaire.
September 21, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Since the thread has gotten so far off anyway, this is as good a time as any to bid adieu to this blog community. Thank you for all the wonderful posts and discussion, Bitchy. After much soul-searching I’ve decided that I’m really not dominant. Rather, I’m a vanilla female who once had a crush on a subbie male and was trying to recall some good times. Im the past several months I’ve met a few people I would have enjoyed owning but since I was not sadistic they didn’t want to be owned by me. At the very most, I was a tea-party domme—loved the bowing and scraping. So, goodbye everyone and thanks again.
September 21, 2007 at 6:40 pm
Jack: I’m guessing you’ve never actually done any of those d/s things which you describe make you hard. If you’d done anything even remotely d/s-like in the flesh, so to speak, then you’d already have all the answers to the questions you asked.
Beej:
“You’d have to be pretty damn bored if you thought becoming a sadist would help”
lol. Just lol.
Thene:
Also lol, great link, thank you!
Maisy:
Last I heard, sadism isn’t a prerequisite for dominance. I’m a dominant and not a sadist.
If you want to be a tea-party domme, then be that. There’s no requirement for you to be anything else.
Part of being dominant is that you get to choose (assuming consensual partners) based on your desires, not the desires of other people who pontificate on how their kind of dominance is the only right way.
So if you want bowing and scraping, by all means, have bowing and scraping. If you aren’t a sadist, don’t be one. If you want to be a tea-party domme, then be a tea-party domme.
And, if you want to be vanilla, then be vanilla.
I do recommend, however, that you be who you are, and not who other people tell you that you are, or aren’t.
Good luck in whatever you do,
Lubyanka.
September 21, 2007 at 10:07 pm
Maisy:
What Lubyanka said. Seriously. I’m sure there are submissive men out there who aren’t interested in a dom who is not a sadist, but there are others who want just such a thing.
September 21, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Part of being dominant is that you get to choose (assuming consensual partners) based on your desires, not the desires of other people who pontificate on how their kind of dominance is the only right way.
Surely that’s part of any relatively healthy sexuality?
September 22, 2007 at 12:48 am
(Forgive me if my terminology is weak, and my questions naive, I’m not a part of this scene.)
I get your point Thene, the link and your point is boringly clear, and in case you didn’t notice, I already apologized for being naive; but, just for you, it’s repeated above.
BJ, thank you, and yes, you would have to be very bored to dabble in being a sadist. And I also agree, asking ‘why’ is very boring.
LL, thank you for your answer, and no, I haven’t tried any d/s and if you are suggesting any answers to my curiosity may lie through experimentation, then you’re probably right to a degree. I don’t dismiss the possibility, I’m open to new experience; I just suspect that I lack the required sexual motivation/desire.
I’m a writer, and I have to use my imagination to create worlds I’m unfamiliar with. I know it’s not really the same, but I don’t actually have to be a murderer to understand or describe murder – if you see what I mean. Only by asking stupid/annoying questions and reading interesting blogs can help. Or indulging in the services of a strong lady for extra research!
September 22, 2007 at 12:59 am
A strong lady! Like in a circus, you mean?
I’m not so good at the ‘why’ question. But I ask it of submissives all the time.
September 22, 2007 at 1:26 am
Thene:
You’re absolutely right, choosing solely according to one’s own desires is part of any relatively healthy sexuality.
Having said that, I never really felt that I was entitled to choose in that way every bit of the time, until I realised I was a dominant and started living like that.
I appreciate that this is my own personal issue and nothing to do with dominance, as such. It’s just that I encounter people all the time who feel similarly. I don’t know any vanilla women who don’t feel kind of pressured into doing some sexual things sometimes with their partners when they might otherwise rather not.
When I was living as a vanilla, I felt that way sometimes. Part of what I love about being part of a “less mainstream” (for lack of a better term) life, is that I must explore inside myself and my partners quite deeply to work out what’s right for me and them, so I end up knowing quite a bit more than I did before about what my desires actually are.
I think this is partly because of a lack of appropriate role models, and partly because I felt that focused examinations of my sexuality were pretty much discouraged for a variety of reasons. I think a lot of us are taught to fear our sexuality.
Part of what I love about d/s is that, not only is it abundantly clear that I’m allowed to choose, but I am also encouraged to choose. In vanilla, my choices were often regarded as negotiable, and were debated by my partners. In d/s, my choices are respected without question.
This is true even if a partner feels a particular thing isn’t right for them. And I respect their right to choose as I expect them to respect mine.
(I say a huge YAY to that!
)
I really didn’t like having my choices debated like that. It felt as if my partners thought my desires would somehow change to give them what they wanted, just because they presented me with what they regarded as a logical position.
I feel like, from what little there was, that I can at least somewhat empathise with Maisy’s position. No matter what she chooses to pursue, she seems to be indicating that her desires are not prioritised in her own mind, nor do they seem to be respected as her priorities by others.
It seems that Maisy found within d/s a similar disregard for her choices as she found in vanilla. I don’t blame her for regarding the whole thing as not for her, if the pressure was still there for her not to choose for herself, and with the additional pressure of “Oh, so you’re not really a dominant then, because [insert weird explanation of how their kink negates your right to your kink]“.
I think it can be really hard to be kinky around other kinky people. Emotional messes which might otherwise in vanilla remain all hidden under wraps, seem to become more overtly visible in kink, possibly because of the inner explorations people tend to do as a result of it.
Ok, stopping now. :p
Lubyanka.
September 22, 2007 at 1:50 am
Jack:
“I’m a writer, and I have to use my imagination to create worlds I’m unfamiliar with. I know it’s not really the same, but I don’t actually have to be a murderer to understand or describe murder – if you see what I mean. ”
No, I don’t see what you mean. I don’t think it’s possible to really understand murder without having done it.
Perhaps, just perhaps, it’s possible to convincingly describe what it’s like to commit a murder, after having conducted some organised, thorough research, and from having talked extensively to people who have in fact experienced what it’s like to have committed murder.
But I do not agree that simply using your imagination alone is going to be enough for you to understand about certain things sufficiently to write about them convincingly.
One of the first pieces of advice which keeps coming up over and over and over again in creative writing is “Write about what you know”. I don’t think that experience gained through imagination alone, counts as “knowing”.
If you’re asking these questions about BDSM because of a specific writing project you’re working on, then I think it might be respectful of you to disclose that fact.
If you’re asking these questions in an effort to explore your own sexuality, then it might be respectful to disclose that fact, instead of possibly hiding behind the “I’m a writer” excuse.
“I love strong women who know what they want.
That gets me hard.”
“I’m open to new experience; I just suspect that I lack the required sexual motivation/desire.
It sounds to me like you’ve got plenty of sexual motivation and desire right there. So I’m asking myself why you aren’t exploring this yourself, and I also ask myself why you need to excuse yourself by saying you’re a writer, rather than just going out there and doing it.
Lubyanka.
September 22, 2007 at 9:48 am
I’ll keep this short as this is off thread.
I’m just being honestly curious.
I have no writing project to be disclosed.
I am not trying to explore my sexuality here.
I am not hiding behind excuses.
BJ, by ’strong women’ I meant intellectually.
LL, writing about what you know is correct and at the same time simplistic – as is your opinion that you have to ‘be’ the character in order to write convincingly in that genre.
The generally defensive reactions to my questions are disappointing, but in hindsight not unexpected. I have no interest in building further argument or feel the need for justifications, so I’ll end this now as I’m as bored – as I’m sure you are.
September 22, 2007 at 10:03 am
Oh noes. That is two people left my blog forever in this thread alone.
Could this be the beginning of the end for BJ’s miniscule amount of fame?
Stay Jack. You have the same name as my boyfriend – and surely you will get some excellent material when identities are confused and I ask you to pretend to be a pirate while I pretend to be from Her Majesty’s Navy anti-pirate squad licensed to fire canons at you and tell you when you can come.
September 22, 2007 at 10:56 am
[topic, what topic?]
IMO, ‘write what you know’ is a bit of a dead end. It negates empathy and emotional experimentation. It would leave books by men populated only by men, and books by women populated only by women. All the families you’d write about would work the same way as yours did, and you could never ‘fix’ anything by writing. It would mean that people on the margins couldn’t discuss the mainstream much at all. So research – finding out how other people are different from you – is good. Empathy – feeling how other people are the same as you, and how you’re the same as them – is its necessary complement.
Lubyanka – I really doubt it’s your personal issue; the world (especially the media, especially the sex media) is set up to show a woman as being an (eager, available) body rather than as a desirer with eyes of her own – which is why I so often find Bitchy’s writing has resonance way beyond kink.
I don’t know any vanilla women who don’t feel kind of pressured into doing some sexual things sometimes with their partners when they might otherwise rather not.
That’s one-sided pressure and it’s shitty. I’m (in a mostlyvanilla relationship) gradually catching the trick of finding exchanges – there’s things that turn me on that he’s indifferent to, as well as vice versa, so as long as there’s a balance and we’re both getting what we want (within our respective limits), it’s all good. But it’s not been easy to get to this headspace.
September 22, 2007 at 11:53 am
“LL, writing about what you know is correct and at the same time simplistic – as is your opinion that you have to ‘be’ the character in order to write convincingly in that genre.”
Jack, where did I express such an opinion? I don’t remember saying that, and I can’t find it in my comments.
I said I didn’t think you could convincingly write from your imagination alone. I stand by that. I don’t think that’s the same as saying you have to be whom you’re writing.
“The generally defensive reactions to my questions are disappointing, but in hindsight not unexpected.”
Characterising responses as “defensive”, is not something I admire. I feel that it is an attempt to detract responsibility away from the maker of a statement, and irrelevantly reassigning responsibility to the respondants to that statement.
“I have no interest in building further argument or feel the need for justifications, so I’ll end this now as I’m as bored – as I’m sure you are.”
If I were feeling mischievious, I might question whether that last remark was defensive. :p
Or, I might wonder whether it was passive aggressive?
Lubyanka.
ps: Not bored, but I’m sure I will be soon.
September 22, 2007 at 12:16 pm
Thene:
“IMO, ‘write what you know’ is a bit of a dead end. It negates empathy and emotional experimentation. [...] So research – finding out how other people are different from you – is good. Empathy – feeling how other people are the same as you, and how you’re the same as them – is its necessary complement.”
I agree with the research thing. What I meant was, that I didn’t think it was possible to write about something completely unfamiliar to you if you were doing it solely from within your imagination, without any other information. I regard research as contributing to the “know” part of “write what you know”.
“Lubyanka – I really doubt it’s your personal issue; the world (especially the media, especially the sex media) is set up to show a woman as being an (eager, available) body rather than as a desirer with eyes of her own – which is why I so often find Bitchy’s writing has resonance way beyond kink.”
That’s reassuring. Even though it isn’t always nice to find out that some neurosis is more widespread and negatively affecting a bigger proportion of the population than previously thought, I still think it’s rather reassuring that I’m not suffering from my neuroses all by myself.
“That’s one-sided pressure and it’s shitty. I’m (in a mostlyvanilla relationship) gradually catching the trick of finding exchanges – there’s things that turn me on that he’s indifferent to, as well as vice versa, so as long as there’s a balance and we’re both getting what we want (within our respective limits), it’s all good. But it’s not been easy to get to this headspace.”
(I initially misread “mostlyvanilla” as “mostylvannia”. I might take a trip there and see if there are any useful fangs :p )
As I said, that’s one of the things I love about being outside the mainstream. It means things get questioned more. I think that self awareness grows in ways which weren’t possible before, because that kind of self exploration simply isn’t encouraged in vanilla, in my experience.
And as a result, a lot of people end up doing a lot of things they may not want to and shouldn’t have to, but they just don’t know they are allowed to say “no”, and nobody is there to show them how.
I think one of the things about being a part of this life, is that it actually is exposing a lot of what’s wrong with vanilla, and with “mainstream” generally.
I don’t think a lot of the things Beej rants about are actually limited to BDSM. I think those rants, as you say, Thene, have a wider resonance. It’s so much to do with respect and inclusion and acceptance.
Or lack thereof.
So, when somebody comes along and asks disrespectful, uninformed questions such as the ones exemplified in your fabulous linked questionnaire, and then the responses to those disrespectful, uninformed questions are characterised by the asker of those questions as “defensive”, I just can’t find myself feeling desperate to educate the wider population on all the benefits of self awareness which the “kink” world can offer.
Because, weirdly, I think the wider world needs to do the self awareness dance before they will be able to respect, accommodate, and accept the benefits of what the marginalised groups can offer them. But of course that won’t happen until the marginalised groups can give them the benefits of what’s on offer.
And thus it is a vicious circle, verily, innit.
Fuck, another long one, sorry. :p
Lubyanka.
September 23, 2007 at 10:50 am
BJ, Oh! The quality and incisiveness of your writing in this blog suddenly makes sense. Yes, I do enjoy piratical rampaging – and you’re more than welcome to come aboard my ship anytime you like … And the idea of my being made to come on demand has, erm, hardened my opinion of you. How interesting. Drop me an email and perhaps we’ll share a tot of rum.
As I’ve returned here when I said I wouldn’t, (ok, so spank me, I deserve it) I might as well try and keep LL away from her boredom as she has lifted me a little out of mine. You don’t find much to admire in my comments LL? That’s rich coming from you. Your denigrating use of the term ‘vanilla’ to describe any sexual activity outside of your particular kink is appallingly arrogant. But, of course, I expect you are used to preaching to the converted from an assumed position of power. Perhaps it’s all just an expression of your dom role. Used to brow-beat poor naive ‘unaware’ interlopers into submission. You’ve been consistently attacking my motives and ‘disrespectful’ questions since I first commented. Sorry, but I don’t feel intimidated, humiliated or submissive. Damn. Still, I’m not bored though! Interestingly, I feel your adoption of the handle ‘Lady’ with all its implied aristocratic superiority is rather more symptomatic of your crass attitude than any dom persona. Personally, come the revolution, I would put all aristocrats up against the wall. I might just spare you though LL. I would hate to end up bored in a vanilla universe.
Dammit, and I said I didn’t want to get into an argument … Ok, I’ll leave you to your world and this thread alone.
September 23, 2007 at 8:29 pm
…so you come here and ask the freaks why they’re so freakyfreaky and then call them ‘defensive’ when they say it’s just one of those things, and that’s just fine and dandy, but someone questioning your motives, manners, and pre-conceived ideas is ‘attacking’ and ‘crass’? You’re not very good at talking to people, are you? Much less at that whole empathy gig.
As for the word ‘vanilla’, it’s merely descriptive, I readily apply it to my own lifestyle, and it’s been talked to death here lately anyway.
September 24, 2007 at 2:59 am
I’m a bit of a geezer who’s been looking at femdom erotica/porn for a long time. I think all this ballbusting material with femdom is fairly recent. Back in the 80’s or early 90’s when I used to comb usenet (that’s before the web folks) for bdsm material, it rarely popped up.
The extremes of femdom porn are probably because the target audience are guys who aren’t actually participating in any of this stuff themselves. They’re just fantasizing and need strong material to get off. They aren’t going to buy DVDs of a nice domestic evening at home whacking the BF’s crotch with the remote.
I just encourage my partners to ball-grab as much as possible. It feels so intimate to give open access to something that is so instinctively protected. Then there’s ball spanking, which some women seem to enjoy.
My last partner really liked to play “smack the dangling orbs”, while doing it doggie style. I couldn’t do anything to protect them except go faster, which I think was her aim. She also liked scientific experiments involving the Wartenberg wheel.
September 24, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Random note of coincidence: today I went to the Museum of Sex. I’ve been several times. Every single time, at some point or another, they have a “What is BDSM?” sign. This time, underneath that sign, they had two retro (circa 1970-ish) pictures of a man tied to an X-frame and a dominant woman next to him. In the first photo, she is kicking his balls with her foot. In the second photo, she is kneeing his balls with her knee.
Every single time I go to the Museum of Sex, I sigh at this point of my visit. (Which is a shame really, because it’s actually not a half bad place.)
September 25, 2007 at 4:26 am
May I tell you a bit of a story? You have written so long and so well, you deserve something in return.
Prelude
———
I knew I was falling when I smelled his hair. Spicy and warm; I buried both hands in its softness and pulled him close. For a moment I closed my eyes and just swam in the scent, lifting his hair and letting it cascade back down. Textures played across my hands — downy and soft by his neck, shading to gentle coarseness. I wrapped it tightly and pulled.
He shivered, breath quickening, moth slack. My breath flows in, his flows out. My fingers tingle and spark and long to hold. The heat courses
with each breath, flowing out through my fingers. He returns the fire with each breath, energy flowing to the heart.
I knew I was falling when I pinned him there. Kneeling to serve me, suddenly his legs were spread and thighs pressed hard against the couch. My legs wrapped around his, I held him there and waited. Let him think, let him feel, let him dream. Let the fire extend itself; with each breath out, the fire washes into him. He breathes, focusing that fire and giving his own, infusing my heart.
He shivered when I touched his wrist; a moment later, encased in steel. A moment later still and both hands were bound — not elegantly or gently, but in metal’s cold fast grip. He tested the bonds and found no escape.
He sweats. I kissed him, tasting salt, then bit. There was no resistance; no point in resisting. He held still, but a shiver told me of the struggle he repressed. I let him feel me, to be seduced by the bonds.
Seduction. Promises. The slender pieces of metal were cool in my hand. I pulled his head back with the other, told him to close his eyes and stay. “Be still.” The first pair bit his left nipple then the right. He breathed like a racehorse. “Quietly, love.” He shook with the strain, but pulled himself upright. I tightened the clamps, cruelly, bit by
bit, waiting for that whimper. His eyes locked on mine like a drowning man seeking the sun. Pausing, stroking, I lulled him deeper.
“Do you trust me?” “Yes, Ma’am.” Do you trust
yourself?” He thought and took a breath. “Yes”
I covered his eyes with the shiny tape; his mouth kissing my arm as it passed by.
In an instant, he was on his back, hitting the floor with a soft thump. Kneeling, I could pin his legs. With one hand, a shoulder pinned. With the other: pain.
I tightened each clamp unbearably. His body fought as I shook the chain, as I pulled and increased the fire. I could feel him start to panic then force it down. His breathing shuddered. I moaned and he looked toward me with covered eyes. “Take…your…pleasure…” he begged.
I rode, leaning back and holding the silver chain, until a clamp popped off. His roaring cry filled the room, then a second and a third, higher and sharper. I kissed him hard, his breath frentic and fast on my cheek, and pulled the chain hard. The other clamp popped off and he howled, the sound filling only me.
My mind was racing; a montage of pictures and
sensations. Heart pounding, legs clenched, I knew it was going to be a glorious night.
His belt lay nearby, inviting me. He would find himself free from the steel but held in desire’s still more intimate embrace. That quick splash, falling into my world, was just the start. Deeper we would go, in a long slow dive. The walls would fall, the doors would open, his heart and body and soul become my instrument.
For I had fallen. I had gone down into the fire. So tonight he will be pulled in, pulled down, and held in. For I have fallen, yet now I shall take him.
The whisper escaped my lips:”no more mercy…”
September 25, 2007 at 6:27 am
Ha ha. Thank you. That was nice.
BJ x
September 25, 2007 at 6:56 am
You’re welcome.
I’m a bit rusty, but felt the world needed some good Bitchy Jones ™ Style Porn to counteract the simpering-wimp-in-French-maid’s-outfit trash.
After all, what’s a self-respecting gentleman submissive to do but show the cowering masses a better way?
Be well,
- e