January 1, 2008...12:08 am
Orgasm Control and Male Chastity Stuff and Why That’s Fun
In 1999 – when I was 26 - I first got the internet and went looking for porn. I am – for the most part – still looking. Nice F/m porn where he suffers and the people directing it accept that some people might want to see him centre frame – still not happening anywhere near enough.
But back then there was (there still is) Altairboy’s famous chastity site.
Some people, I know, read this blog because they like my jolly ranting and might not know that much about the kinky world I rage about. These people might be a little mystified by orgasm control. Trust me, you are not alone. I started to write a post about it only to discover that I am pretty mystified myself.
But here, to the best of my limited clumsy word-wrangling abilities, are the basics.
Along with all the other crazy larks of femdom is a thing called orgasm control. Also, and far too often, called orgasm denial. Like a lot of stuff in femdom by far the most vocal voices are those of the men who kink for it. Men who like the idea of being restrained and controlled and owned and brutalised, like the idea of not being allowed to come. By, well, I have to say it, by Mistress.
And like a lot of other things in femdom it has been stuffed full of shit, fantasised to death. It’s all about brutal devices and men not getting to come for years or forever, when the sneering she-devil locks him into a chastity belt (Yep – you can buy them) fills the padlock with super glue and cackles manically. All this wank fantasified with no thought given as to why the fuck any woman would ever do this. Render a cock completely useless! Forever! What do these mysterious motiveless women do for an encore? Drape fabric over piano legs and ceremonially burn dildos I imagine. (I can be rather imaginative.) They are part of the dominatrixes are the enemy of sex school. And we say no to the idea that being sexually dominant means not getting to be fucked.
There is the idea that if a man gets his cock into a woman he somehow wins,so a dominant woman can never let the guy fuck her. Damnit even celebrity blogging prodom Mistress Matisse says:
(Also, can I just say, ahem – where is *my* Wikipedia entry please? Call yourselves Beej fans!)
And along with that idea lurks a similar idea that maybe if a man comes he wins. Like somehow if the man comes the woman is automatically demeaned.
Like all this talk about how awful it is that men want to come on women’s faces and the criticism of that talk. Like anything, sure that can be demeaning in context. It can also be fun. It is obviously wrong to do something like that to a person if they don’t want you to. But, hell, it is wrong to kiss someone if they don’t want you to and I don’t see masses of articles online about how awful it is people want to kiss on first dates ‘cause there is all this kissing in the media.
Now, orgasm denial fans and facial decriers and dominant women should never have sex claimers, here’s something you might want to know. Seeing someone you love, like or just find hot, come is fucking nice. I love to see men come. There is gay porn that is just guys jerking off and it is the hottest fucking thing.
The phenomenon of women ‘faking it’ kind of exists because men like to see women come. Why wouldn’t women enjoy men coming. It’s wonderful. Like fireworks night.
In a way, not coming isn’t really submissive as selfish.
Well, it is actually way more complicated than that. But the basic point is that there is nothing intrinsically submissive about not coming, anymore than there is about not fucking.
It is only submissive if the person you are submitting to wants it. Gets off on it. Fuck, how basic is that.
And I do. Get off on it, that is. Orgasm control does have something very lovely deep in there under all the crap. Suffering. Sacrifice. Which is why, even though I love men coming, even though it is covered in offensive crap, I still fucking love orgasm control.
It’s like all the other stuff in femdom. Like a man on his knees, in pain, is hot when you clear away all the frilly knickers and housework fetishisation and stupid fucking nonsense about submitting to awe inspiring beauty and heel height.
And like other stuff in femdom an attempt has been made to sell it to women not because it turns us on (real dominant women don’t exist, remember) but because of all the fringe benefits. With orgasm control that means affection.
Yeah. That crap. Women don’t want sex they just want affection. Can’t we just cuddle? So slap him in a CB and he’ll be nice to you for a change.
It’s not even true. No man I have ever stopped from coming has become for affectionate. Turned on – yes. Frustrated – yes. Obsessed with sex – yes. Affectionate – no. And if that was the main result I wouldn’t fucking do it would I?
Christ the anti sex, anti women, anti women liking having sex bollocks that fuels this crap. All this crap.
Why not persuade women to get into orgasm control because they might find male suffering and frustration hot. I know that means you would have to clean it up a bit. But goddam. It just so is. Hot. Hot enough that they would even forego the goddamn fucking fun of seeing him come, of feeling him come, of watching him lick his own come up off her face, to enjoy the desperate squirming.
Of saying to him, like I said to Jack last week: You don’t get to come because you’re for sex. For me. For me to enjoy. And I want you to be hard when I want you hard. And to fuck me for as long as I want. You don’t get to come because this isn’t about you, it’s about me. And I like your cock to be hard. All the time. No matter how you might feel about that.
I said all that. I still let him come quite a lot over Xmas though, because when he comes it is hot. When I deny him I’m denied too. I suffer to. I wait and anticipate. It’s like unresolved sexual tension in a TV show. It’s like that whole Lacanian thing about desiring something being more pleasurable than receiving it. Yep, for me as well. One of the reasons I really like switches is that I don’t think there is actually much difference between being the sub and being the dom.
Orgasm control then is many twisted freaky things but it is not and never ever will be about making him more affectionate. Or making him do chores. Or be nice. I don’t know, maybe I have ridiculously over inflated self esteem or something but I tend to have sex with men that do those things anyway – not in the vague hope of an orgasm.
I do it because I like it. It turns me on. I find it hot. And that’s why, if you do it for me, it’s submission.
Of course orgasm control fills me with all the same doubt and angst as doing any other mean stuff for my own gratification does. Jack must hate me, my internal doubter wails (I really ought to sack her), I don’t let him come and he likes to come. He said so – last time I made him beg to be able to come.
The other downside of orgasm control – aside from my own nuttery – is that it is not really very compatible with poly. ‘Cause, you see, Pan has a girlfriend these days, which is all very much for the happy. But it would seem rather bizarre and inappropriate to use a CB on him now. And Pan never went in for orgasm control by because I said so.
Jack, on the other hand, well we have a pretty good because I said so type thing.
But Jack’s poly too. Of course he is. How else would it work? In fact, Jack did point out almost-casually the other day that I never mention just how very well he does with the women. One week Jack had sex with women who were born on three different continents. He’s very sexy - it’s quite unsurprising.
So the rules are necessarily muddy with Jack and my control of his orgasms. First we decided I should have control but he could come if he was having sex with someone else. Then that seemed weird, like he might have sex for other reasons - wanting to come rather than just wanting to. Even though he probably wouldn’t. But it felt weird to me to think that I might be involved in his sex life with other people. ‘Cause the fact that I’m not is kind of the point for me. (This is why we dismissed the ‘other person has to ask me permission to let him come’ idea. Hot , yes – but Jack an I don’t have a dynamic that is anything like that.)
Then we kind of did a thing where if Jack had a date he didn’t do any orgasm control on that day, which was okay, but weirdly Jack’s main lucky streak with women seemed to coincide with us stopping the orgasm control for a while.
Now we have a system best described as I trust Jack to make decisions that make sense. So we are doing orgasm control by and large. Except when we’re not. And he knows when that is in ways that make sense.
And the fact that Jack can make these decisions just as well as I can is really one of the reasons why this all works so well. But orgasm control does rely quite heavily on mutual consent. Exploit that right and you don’t need a chastity device or even any explicit rules. Jack can beg to come over the phone (I don’t quite mean that how it sounds) one night and get his cock sucked by someone I’ve never met the next.
Because it is his cock. And I’m happy with that fair minded assessment of the reality of the situation..
I never was that woman with an army of glorious male wonders in chastity waiting for her cool handed manicured touch.
And I almost never envy her.


22 Comments
January 1, 2008 at 3:23 am
Uh, just to clarify, I was criticizing people who said that face-coming–or any other sexual activity–wasn’t an ok thing to enjoy. I did not, in fact, criticize coming on faces, nor did I criticize not coming, or not coming until given permission to come.
I pretty much wave the finger for the right to enjoy–or the right to decline enjoyment–the full pantheon of consensual sex acts.
You know, just for the record and all.
kissykiss,
chelsea g.
January 1, 2008 at 3:34 am
“It is obviously wrong to do something like that to a person if they don’t want you to. But, hell, it is wrong to kiss someone if they don’t want you to and I don’t see masses of articles online about how awful it is people want to kiss on first dates ‘cause there is all this kissing in the media.”
Crikey, I wish I’d put it like that! Marvellously astute point, Ms. Jones.
January 1, 2008 at 3:46 am
Noel Coward jokes in the mouseover text? Win.
January 1, 2008 at 8:40 am
Quite right you can control and deny his orgasms for a while and still get to play with his toy.Building him up to a creshendo and then stopping him is real control.
January 1, 2008 at 10:58 am
Uh, just to clarify, I was criticizing people who said that face-coming–or any other sexual activity–wasn’t an ok thing to enjoy. I did not, in fact, criticize coming on faces, nor did I criticize not coming, or not coming until given permission to come.
Sorry if it’s ambiguous. I should probably, really have linked to the article you link to. I just like your bit.
January 1, 2008 at 11:00 am
Yet another topic you and I have discussed near to death…but let me say, one more time ’cause I like saying it…..I love come. His. The more of it the better. Come early and often. As long as it is *all mine*, we’re good to go.
Goes back to something very smart you have said before, *any* act can be dominant or submissive, it’s not the act, it’s the attitude behind it. Okay. You said it better than that, but, the idea.
I see a lot submissively oriented men make many bad assumptions about what is attractive to dominantly oriented women. There’s no one set of guidelines to The Sexay.
I. Love. Come. I’d never get off on locking a guy up and waiting a freakin’ year (or month) to play with the come and the nice male member that produces it. (I also like to roll around in it, but that is probably TMI to fit my blog personality, yes?) My idea of orgasm control is, have one now so I can enjoy it, and be quick about it. : )
But I do get why some men and women think the other way is sexy, just not a one-size-fits all proposition.
Love the “kissing” analogy re: porn. This is something I am trying to sort out and that was a big help.
Hugs to you, and Jack and Pan and Pan’s girlfriend and the three women from different continents. Did I leave anybody out? (for crying out loud
)
Happy new year!
E
January 1, 2008 at 11:08 am
The Wikipedia entry is a great idea. We should run a sweep on how long we can keep a link to your page up on the Bridget Jones’ Diary one…
January 1, 2008 at 11:38 am
Ha ha. Oh god. I don’t know what to say to that. People might notice I’m quite attention seeking if I show how excited I am.
January 1, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Orgasm control is another of those things I fail to see the point in,but I have never been the type to deny myself anything or to let someone keep me from what I want. Maybe Jack enjoys a bit of orgasm control from you because it lets him build up his load as he works his way through the atlas. Women must have some way of telling when a man is getting some serious sex because, and I am sure most men will agree, when you are in a steamy relationship, every place you go women seem to notice you but when you are single it is like being in a ghost town. The mysteries of women huh!
Kissing a woman on a first date, is that appropriate, I don’t know about that if she agrees to go out with you and she hasn’t made it clear that she has no interest, you have to fancy yourself in with a sporting chance. There are dangers for men in this as well. I recall one of the Australian temps at a bank I worked for telling me how he was in a bar in Oz where he met a young lady and after a suitable period of time they were kissing quite deeply. The guy noticed that a lot of the guys at the bar were laughing and joking at his good fortune, which was putting him off somewhat. One of the main jokers eventually went to the toilet and my colleague followed him into the bathroom to find out what was so funny. The guy in question is a big, typical aussie-rules football type and was prepared for any amount of trouble. So he asked the other guy what was so funny, the other fellow broke down laughing and said something along the lines of I am sorry mate we just couldn’t help laughing, you see we are a rugby team from Melbourne on the way home, and that girl who you have your tongue inside has just given everyone of us a blowjob around the back of the bar. Needless to say the girl in question hadn’t had the time to brush her teeth and use some mouthwash before my friends arrival.
A couple of us were listening to this story and one of the other temps asked what did you do, my friend just said, “what could I do, I went and washed my hands and left the bar without saying goodbye to the young lady”.
Anyway Happy New Year to everyone, (I am Scottish and predictably drank twice my own body weight in grog, whilst spiraling between euphoria and melencholy).
January 1, 2008 at 4:57 pm
“‘But, hell, it is wrong to kiss someone if they don’t want you to and I don’t see masses of articles online about how awful it is people want to kiss on first dates ‘cause there is all this kissing in the media.”
That’s because kissing is something done in a vanilla context and Eris knows that women would never, ever deny orgasms in a vanilla context, right? ‘cos that would be, like, manipulative or something.
January 1, 2008 at 5:08 pm
There are a multitude of ways orgasm control situations can appear. Orgasm control for the sake of intensifying the moment of being allowed release, a la tantric-y type of prolonged pleasure. Orgasm control as a form of denial and humiliation, a la “you don’t get to orgasm while I can have as many orgasms as I want, neener neener neener.” Orgasm control as a reward/punishment scheme (which is the only way I think the clean-since-you-can’t-come scenario works “if the bathroom floor sparkles, you get release”… it is amazing at times how much of a motivator that sort of thing can be). Orgasm control as some weird pseudo-power-exchange, where someone hands the supposed control over to someone else along with the exact rules for when/where/how to let them “release.” (there are a LOT of these things visible on the interwebs “seeking keyholder, doesn’t matter who you are”
ETC ETC ETC
It totally depends on the dynamic between the 2 complicated individual people involved. I don’t think there is necessarily a “right” or “wrong” reason or kink or way of doing it.
I once had 2 men in chastity for VERY different reasons at the same time. One was my submissive lover who I soooo enjoyed keeping on the edge whenever I could so that he was in this constant state of panting lust over me, while the other was a submissive toy I had no sexual relationship with at all. I just liked keeping the keys to his sexuality (literally) where he couldn’t get to them, purely as a part of the nonsexual (and yet very enjoyable) control over him.
Different situations, same words.
I try to remind myself that you are talking about the grand scheme of things and what is predominantly seen as “femdom” and how it marginalizes everything else, but I keep cringing at the “if you don’t fuck your submissives, then what is the point” sort of subtext.
I love sex. I love sex with big strong self-sacrificing submissive men with beautiful cocks more than any other sex. But I play with a lot of submissives I don’t ever intend on fucking. Vanilla analogy: dating, kissing, flirting with men you don’t intend on fucking can be fun. In and of itself. Doesn’t mean you don’t like sex. Just means you don’t fuck those particular people. No judgment involved. Just factual.
Here’s to everyone kinking the way they kink in 2008!
January 1, 2008 at 5:14 pm
BTW, thanks for providing a timely article on this. Some of my own readers don’t “get” whatever the hell it is that Mrs. Edge and I do, but it’s really more about the control than the denial. Yes, it goes on a month or two, but in her mind it works.
And while the fantasy just using a strap-on and of throwing away the key can be hot in the right context, the reality is that I have quite an adequate cock, thank you, and she really does get a lot of enjoyment from using it. None of that “my penis is too tiny” in the Edge household.
Unfortunately, she does not evince any desire to roll around in it like a certain other person we know and love, but there’s always hope.
January 1, 2008 at 5:51 pm
I am not too sure about this rolling around in it thing. Mind you I once rolled around in a bed covered in cake.
January 1, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Vanilla analogy: dating, kissing, flirting with men you don’t intend on fucking can be fun. In and of itself. Doesn’t mean you don’t like sex. Just means you don’t fuck those particular people. No judgment involved. Just factual.
I don’t really think much of that either. I just hate the idea that women get more validation and happies from men *wanting* to fuck them, rather than from fucking itself. That just seems to be coming from a bad place to me. That place where women are the suppliers of sex and men are the consumers.
I don’t like that place.
January 1, 2008 at 5:57 pm
As for the locking him up so he’ll clean up. Christ, where to begin?
Pan is hoovering up right now. Just ’cause, you know, he lives here too.
I would, however, understand not letting a guy come until he had suffered some trial. Just not cleaning the fucking bathroom. Jesus! Fully grown human beings shouldn’t need that kind of motivation to pick up after themselves.
http://bitchyjones.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/men-at-work/
January 1, 2008 at 6:07 pm
The orgasm control/poly thing is indeed a bit complicated. I think the agreement I’ve come to with the relevant chap is similar to yours with Jack. (common sense, there, marvellous)
I definitely couldn’t keep it going for all that long, though. I really really like seeing my partners come. Especially if they’re begging for it.
Plus, I’ve done it the other way around, & while I find that very hot as well, it’s only hot if I do actually get to come in the end
January 1, 2008 at 11:08 pm
I just hate the idea that women get more validation and happies from men *wanting* to fuck them, rather than from fucking itself. That just seems to be coming from a bad place to me. That place where women are the suppliers of sex and men are the consumers.
I misspoke if I gave the impression that I was talking about some sort of cock-teasery (oooh I like that word, though!). I was just pointing out that in my world, there’s a space for interacting that isn’t all about sex.
Not about who wants and who doesn’t want sex. Not about supplying or denying sex.
There are interactions that can be foreplayish, or they can exist all on their very own as enjoyable.
The idea that dating/kissing/flirting is about teasing/with-holding sex/one person wanting something that the other is only maybe going to deign to “give up”… is a bit baffling to me. It can exist all on it’s own as, well, rather nice. Rather nice indeed.
Which was the point.
It can be nice all on it’s own in a nonsexual (for both people) sort of way.
January 1, 2008 at 11:52 pm
I like words with the word ‘cock’ in them. I guess that’s off the point.
And I’m meant to be learning about how not *everything* is about having a cock *in* something.
I think…
January 2, 2008 at 8:56 am
I am not too sure about this rolling around in it thing. Mind you I once rolled around in a bed covered in cake.
Same principal.
I really do love come.
(This is way too much information, isn’t it?)
January 2, 2008 at 9:00 am
*principle* not *principal*
That would be ooky! [horrified look]
I am going to need my own edit button for your blog, please. kthxbai
January 4, 2008 at 8:46 am
Yay! Bravo for bringing the whole “do what you want, and don’t do what you don’t want” sensibility to orgasm control!
Also, it doesn’t really surprise me to not see a comment on this thread by Eileen, so in that vein let me say that she is certainly not one with the rolling in the ejaculate thing, although I am. Which, as perhaps you’ve noticed by now, can be made to fit quite nicely into our little fantasy lives in which I am rolling around in a lot of other men’s ejaculate. But I think I’ll save the rest for some other porn short.
January 8, 2008 at 12:44 am
You don’t get to come because you’re for sex. For me. For me to enjoy. And I want you to be hard when I want you hard. And to fuck me for as long as I want. You don’t get to come because this isn’t about you, it’s about me. And I like your cock to be hard. All the time. No matter how you might feel about that.
Heheheheheeheheheehe. Oh god, I LOVE IT when I say things like this and I get away with it- when instead of laughing at me and going “Um, what?” the guy gets all hot and bothered and they do that delicious little noise in the back of their throat…
yeah, that one. I like it lots.
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