February 13, 2008...12:36 am

What’s So Fucking Funny?

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Over on this post a few weeks ago I made a small mention of the fact that there is a little corner of my brain that really likes the idea of pony boys. I’ll probably never pursue this. Neither Jack not Pan are interested – although both have said they would saddle up if I wanted them to – and I don’t think I am interested *enough* to selfishly pursue.

But my biggest problem with pony boy fun isn’t lack of opportunity. It’s the fact that the language isn’t very accommodating for someone like me who doesn’t really flip for diminishing her man with words like boy (or slave or toy or pet. I have the same trouble with boyfriend. Or girl used for adults. I’m easily confused.)

Back then I suggested the cumbersome, but best-I-could-do replacement stallion men.

One of my much loved regular commenters said in response:

I liked the point you made so much I even forgive you for getting the phrase “Stallion Man” stuck in my head, sang by a choir like the intro to He Man cartoons, for an hour.
Let me tell you, He Man looks pretty f’ing hilarious in a bit harness and a pony tail jock strap in my head.

I’m not using that here to bitch this person out. I’m just using it as an example. An example of something I see so, so often sometimes I don’t even notice. What she is expressing is the generalised idea of a the reaction we ought to make to male submission. Laughter. And not just people in general – although people in general are meant to laugh at gimpy boys – women like me are meant to be laughing most of all. Women who are actually turned on by it.

Okay, maybe you think that’s a pretty ridiculous example. It has He Man in it and stuff. But, you know, I find the idea of He Man in any kind of bondage whatsoever pretty fucking incredibly hot. Actually. God.

Because much has I hate the empty-headed angry sneer, the unsmiling personality free void version of mainstream dominatrix I also hate the whole, hey, you know, I have a sense of humour, thing to. I’m warm and funny and real and this thing I do, oh, actually, I find it *hilarious*.

Sneering *and* guffawing. Sometimes it is like femdom embodies both ends of the stupid. Like uberfemininity with dumb corsets and heels (PS I love Hadley Freeman) and then sops of masculinity so the female power of supreme beauty isn’t tarnished by the weaknesses of having a cunt or any emotions. Or this other twin dumb and dumbers of miserable as sin and laughing sadistically being the only allowable states. Stupid dichotomies of lame as opposed to this being any kind of real woman who can look and behave like real women do. Constructed out of parts and ideas of femininity. It’s almost as if the way women behave in femdom was entirely designed by men or designed by women who wanted men to pay them for the way they were acting.

Funny that…

(Talking of dichotomies of lame, this weekend I saw a strap on cock with suspenders for stockings attached. God like the two things I need least combined in one utterly useless item so that I could easily completely avoid buying it. This item was for sale in a sex shop. A *sexy* shop not an adult licensed porn selling shop – a knickers and dildos shop. An inside and outside of cunt shop. I foamed a little when I saw it and then Jack distracted me with some of those nipple clamps that have a tightening screw and I need them to do my experiments.)

But back to laughing femdoms – here’s another example from some prodom site or other (I think she is peddling videos):

See slaves gaffer taped together and watch as I torment them with vibrating butt plugs, & cocks exposed, watch them being tormented knowing whoever cums first has to lick up their own spunk, followed by the other slave’s. Watch as I laugh & try to guess which slave I think will have to do all the cleaning up.

(Edited to add) A couple more examples from Men in Pain that I dug out for a commenter

Gwen has the bad boy doing chores while wearing her panties under his clothing. To further remind him of his status in the household, she unleashes a very hard whipping on him, humiliates him verbally, suspends and beats him and eventually uses his pathetic cock for her own pleasure. After she finally allows the panty boy to come inside her pussy, she squats on his face and squeezes the sticky goo out all over his mouth and face, laughing at him all the time.

Or

Mistress Penny Flame’s beauty is matched only by her brutality. ‘Say hello to my little friend’, she sneers as her paddle cuts the air and hammer’s kade’s ass through the cargo net. His begging and whining only fuel her ire as she orders him to fuck himself in a twisted forced exercise scene that leave the poor boy trembling, marked and terrified of her every move. The final humiliation occurs when he is ordered lick her ass and stroke his cock for her amusement while she laughs and jeers at his discomfort.

What the fuck is this? All this fucking laughing.

Why? Why the fuck is the dominant woman meant to be motivated by, not by desire but by light entertainment. (God damnit there are easier cheaper ways to distract yourself from boredom.)

Sure I *laugh*. I laugh with Pan while we are watching consumer whinge fest Watchdog (like this blog but with cowboy builders instead of prodoms) and it features both Federation of Master Builders *and* The Association of British Bankers.

And I laugh with Jack looking at hypnodommmes websites or when he starts pretending to be a lisping mandom. (His lisping mandom is now called Master Caesar. Or, you know, Mathter Thaethar. Who knows, perhaps Mathter Thaethar will turn me)

But when I’m in bed with Jack and I’m hitting him with stuff. Or when he’s inside me and begging me to let him come and I’m saying no, or when there’s any combination if hitting and begging and noing – I am not laughing.

Not then.

I don’t find it funny. It sets me on fire with the hot. When Jack screams I do not laugh. I am not amused.

I am raw with arousal. Thick in my throat with it. I might cry. But I don’t laugh. Or giggle. I really especially do not giggle.

I wrote about this a bit when I talked about small penis humiliation. Remember:

Just, look, the motivation for the top is not how fucking hilarious this is. What is the fucking point of that! If I want to have a laugh I’ll watch a fucking Eddie Izzard DVD. Is that really the best motivation you could think of? I mean you did realise that women can get turned on too, right? – sometimes I think every submissive man in the world was transported here by time machine from 1878. How about working with that when it comes to humiliation instead of this shit about how we should be laughing at your ridiculous worthless self.

And when I wrote about clothed female naked male I wrote this:

And because male nudity is scary powerfully symbolic of male sexual submission, of male vulnerability, of men losing sexual control – it needs to be viciously controlled. I live in a country where I am not allowed to look at a picture of a erect penis. Why? Because an image of a sexualised naked man might change the world forever?
Women enjoying male submission is a big scary concept. That is why we are told over and over that women looking at naked men is just something they find funny. Amusing. Because trying to make it comical is the first thing society does with something woah-scary.

‘Cause there’s a double layer to this. It exists inside and outside the kink. Submissive men are encouraging women to laugh at them and society is encouraging everyone to laugh at male submission.

And you have to admit that the whole male submission=laughter thing is pretty damn tiresome. Male submission has a big enough image problem as it is. How about we stop doing the very thing the mean cruel outside world does to keep male submission in it’s box of unsexy stupid – actually within the kink itself. Huh?

You know what the laughing is for (that same laughing that submissive men encourage dominant women to do because he looks so silly in his frillies/has such a tiny cock/is pathetic)? It is to defuse any sexiness we might be getting out of it. Like letting the air out of a balloon.

There is one use for this desexification. But it bothers me hugely. Every now I still find myself responding to pain once in a while with a sort of smiling croon. I think it’s mostly a learned response. All that is left from when I used to do the thing the way you do the thing. But I think that part of me thinks that it is more cruel to pretend it doesn’t turn me on. That I am hurting him for no reason. Barely even a distraction.

And things that deny the way it turns me on bother me. And it’s still not really enough to account for how much of this laughing there is. Because what bothers me most of all that things that hide the turn on, change the motivation, lie about how this makes me feel, are so fucking prevalent.

Laughing is, like, the universal response to a man in bondage, or, even more often (more often than universal, um…) a man in pain.

Look, I know, some people will insist on reading this as Bitchy Jones wants to ban laughter. Along with all fake penis and all non normative sexual intercourse. Yeah, okay, if it makes you feel better to think that. Think it. I’m the big bad. I want to ban everything

But maybe you could see it like this. Let’s think about gay men for a minute. Why not? A little guy on guy can be hot sometimes. Remember when the only gay men you ever saw in popular culture were flamers? When it was all Mr Humphries all the time?

Similarly my problem now is how every fucking femdom is cocky-corsetted laughing sadist.

Cocky/corseted/laughing sadist femdoms complain I ignore them and claim they don’t exist. Maybe what it’s really about is claiming that most women – the majority of women who are into men crawling – aren’t like this. Are kind of like ordinary women. Like the majority of gay men are like ordinary men – not frothy concoctions. Isn’t that what liberating this sexuality – *any* sexuality – has to be about? Telling everyone and telling those women who are closeted self-disgusted what-I-am-is-this-gross-thing proto-femdoms that women who are dominant are just like normal women. Well yeah, some of them might be wearing corsets and some of them might not like getting fucked so much – just like some gay men *are* flaming – but most of them, like most women in general, just aren’t.

(Really though if you are a cocky/corseted/laughing sadist femdom, if that is what you are into, for serious, then goddamn I don’t know what you are doing here – don’t you know the entire internet is made of porn that is just *perfect* for you. Just dinky.)

Also, please note that I am funny when not doing sex. God, am I ever. I can be way funnier than the smallest penis in the world or the most pained squeal you can make. I’m a fucking funny femdom. As funny as a whole clown car full of clowns. And you know they can get a lot of clowns in those clown cars.

Also, also, not that I’ve entirely given up on the stallion idea. But really, I think I might prefer a unicorn. Can you guess why? (God, that might be the most depraved thing I’ve ever written on this blog.)

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  • I dunno. I agree with being sickened and wanting to slap sense into Strap-On-Femdominity when they encourage cackling like a playground bully at male submission, but…

    Now I can’t get the original He-Man, the old Masters of the Universe type deal in his normal costume he always wore when he wasn’t being a mild mannered Prince Adam as a pony boy out of my head. Along with Moss Man and that skunk guy and that weird little floating mage that always messed things up. But I grew up with these cartoons, my brothers had the toys (mossy dude smelled of forest and dirt and well, moss.. and the skunk guy had a fairly pungent scent that I’m sure wasn’t Pepe Le Pew) and hell, I had a dress up kit for his sister, She-Ra, Princess of Power.

    I’m not laughing at a well muscled warrior in chains and bridles and bits and saddles straining and working and doing all those wonderful manly things (hotness), I’m amused because it’s still a corny cartoon in my head and the whole scene is in the same 80s cartoon style. Now.. the new and remade series.. didn’t watch but yeah, that’d be hot.

    Personally, I prefer drooling over the Belmont boys. Love the pretty boys who are well muscled, have interesting scars, wield wicked weapons, wear leather and look damn good in chains and you can absolutely count on them to be tortured in mind, body and soul about their entire quest, which is always to defeat Dracula but I swear most of the games I have.. they’re doing it for the woman they love. They do it all, they risk everything, they’d sell their soul to save her, to get her back, to rescue her or if she’s dead, then it’s agonizing revenge and a lot of torture.

    That’s the Castlevania series of games, and I’m either way too into it, adjusting the story to fit my own fantasies or a little of both. And these are the later games. Simon was the big beefcake brute that just killed everything, and his art shows he wasn’t the idiot in that stupid Nintendo cartoon. There’s a Belmont for everyone.

  • I’m not too sure why I chose that examole, really. I could have picked a gazillion from strap-on femdomity. Like this from Men in Pain

    Gwen has the bad boy doing chores while wearing her panties under his clothing. To further remind him of his status in the household, she unleashes a very hard whipping on him, humiliates him verbally, suspends and beats him and eventually uses his pathetic cock for her own pleasure. After she finally allows the panty boy to come inside her pussy, she squats on his face and squeezes the sticky goo out all over his mouth and face, laughing at him all the time.

    Or this one

    Mistress Penny Flame’s beauty is matched only by her brutality. ‘Say hello to my little friend’, she sneers as her paddle cuts the air and hammer’s kade’s ass through the cargo net. His begging and whining only fuel her ire as she orders him to fuck himself in a twisted forced exercise scene that leave the poor boy trembling, marked and terrified of her every move. The final humiliation occurs when he is ordered lick her ass and stroke his cock for her amusement while she laughs and jeers at his discomfort.

    It’s not like examples are hard to find. But that comment seemed like a cuter way of introducing the idea.

  • I’ve sometimes laughed (during sex/dominatrixing), because I get that fairground ride feeling – it’s scary and thrilling and arousing. (I mean the fast rides, not the spinning teacups. Everybody gets aroused on fairground rides. Don’t they?). But I understand your point about the generic portrayal of sexually dominant women – I love your ‘Mr. Humphreys’ example. The thing about the Mr Humphreys type of character is you never see them actually having sex, god forbid – their sexuality is a joke. They don’t actually kiss other men with passion or anything. And it’s the same with the domme women – we do see them dominatrixing, but not as if they’re actually real women actually enjoying it, usually. It looks to me as if it’s often desexualised, from the woman’s point of view. You can’t identify with those women. You know, I’d love to see a film, or something on TV, where there’s a romance and the couple just happen to be a sexually dominant woman and a submissive man – it just happens to be the way they do sex.

    I’m afraid that I call my boyfriend ‘my boyfriend’ (because of a lack of suitable alternatives. ‘My man’ sounds so ’80s [Wham, Jennifer Rush], and ‘my partner’ implies a more business-like arrangement). And I sometimes like to use a strap-on. And I have a stocking fetish! Oh dear.

  • I tend to call Pan my partner and Jack my boyfriend. But it is weird. There is no other context in which I could comfortably refer to him as a boy.

    Then again he calls women girls all the time – I should start throwing stuff.

  • In gay BDSM porn, you very rarely find the whole laughing thing.
    It’s still men being hurt and submitting, but male tops laughing at the bottoms as part of the humiliation? No way. They’re too busy being sadistic and enjoying their stonking erections and raw power.
    Such a shame femdom porn went so wrong…

  • I’m so glad you said that. That’s really helpful. The essential truth is – if gay male tops don’t do it, it’s probably not about the top having a hot time.

  • Hm. I find myself laughing slightly sometimes when I’m topping – but not in a laughing-at way, more in a “my goodness I’m having fun” way. Maybe it’s not so much laughing as happiness. Topping makes me feel powerful-happy. Exuberant, possibly.

    That’s not laughing-at, though. Laughing-at is not hot. Also if I’m bottoming, being-laughed-at is not remotely hot (it is liable instead to lead to immediate loss of whatsit). The evil grin thing – the top enjoying what they’re doing – that’s hot.

  • I don’t like the evil grin thing. Seems like a weird mask on what’s really going on to me.

  • But if I’m having fun why wouldn’t I smile?

    Maybe “evil grin” is the wrong phrase for that.

  • I guess there’s a very distinct difference between funny fun and sex fun. And because female sex fun seems to be so often removed – especially in femdom – too much emphasis on funny fun bothers me.

    Not that I don’t smile during sex. I do. And sometimes I laugh a lot – like a hysterical lot – but that is usually in vanillaish stuff.

    So, for example, right now Jack wants to be allowed to come and I am not letting him. You can find femdom orgasm denial stuff all over the web where the woman will tell you she finds that situation funny. Ha ha, he can’t come, hear his pathetic begging, etc…

    I am in that situation right now and (1) it is not like that and (2) if I thought about it and about Jack like that, it would make it completely unsexy for me.

    I don’t think he’d like it much either

  • Yes. It’s not *funny*; and I agree that finding it so wouldn’t be sexy at all.

    It (orgasm denial) is however *enjoyable*; and when there are enjoyable things happening I am prone to smiling about them.

    I don’t think I quite know of a word for the experience I’m thinking about; something slightly more than just smiling to oneself but definitely not funny-ha-ha-laughing. An expression of pleasure.

  • I think I know what you’re getting at with pleasure.

  • I also get an evil grin, I think… it’s more of a feral feeling than an amused one. When something got a *good* reaction, and my lips peel back and I breathe through my teeth and my stomach tenses and probably there’s fingernails digging in somewhere and pulling him towards me. But there’s definitely a smile going on in there, too.

    And I also get a oh-boy-this-is-fun gleeful feeling, in less intense bits, which sometimes means I laugh.

  • I’m not sure I ge the gleeful thing. Do you get this stuff?

    The final humiliation occurs when he is ordered lick her ass and stroke his cock for her amusement while she laughs and jeers at his discomfort.

    This is getting to be like a survey. I like it.

  • I smile and laugh quite a bit, in that sort of enjoying myself a bit kind of way. I think it isn’t that uncommon and I think it’s fun when I do.

    It also goes a bit with the ‘enjoying humiliation’ sometimes. Not all the times, but sometimes. When I’m making him do silly things, or hurty things for me? Sometimes it’s funny, and I laugh.

    Sometimes it’s just the natural reaction I have for whatever reason, when there is no humiliation involved at all. Not because anything is funny per se, but it’s just what happens. I also tend to laugh when I orgasm, it’s just what happens.

    And I think I know what you are referring to here. It’s another case of something that can be essentially “hot” – that can be stylized and marketed, and so it has. I’ve seen OODLES of clips and pics of forced domination laughter around the interwebs.

    It always strikes me a bit like marketed forced bi or forced feminization, stilted and artificial, “forced domination.” Where some barely legal, nearly pornish, shiny cheerleader guffaws awkwardly while pointing and arching her back.

    But the gleeful thing? Oh yeah, I get the gleeful thing. I resonate with the “evil grin” and the “evil laughter” thing. Not just in the moment, but even just talking about *ahem* stuff. When I chat with my few Domme friends? There is usually quite a bit of laughter between us discussing kinky, dirty things. I like how one friend put it best, “You have so much fun…like a shining beacon of giggly sadistic joy.” There is joy in for me. Glee, even. Fun. I enjoy myself terribly.

    No one else is around, we aren’t marketing our conversations (although Lotus and I usually end every conversation with “we should sooooooooooooo be recording this and selling it! bwahahahaha”), we are just gleefully enjoying ourselves. And each other.

    This sort of thing: “After she finally allows the panty boy to come inside her pussy, she squats on his face and squeezes the sticky goo out all over his mouth and face, laughing at him all the time.” Is something else entirely. Seriously. “Allowing” someone in that way ruins the whole concept of “allow” to me, it’s just wrong. And ungleeful in my mind. The way I read that it’s nervous icky laughter like, “oohohoho I just let someone I didn’t want to fuck use me and reverse the cum shot like a reenactment of bad port. I hope I can scrub myself clean later.”

    That’s a very different sort of laughter indeed.

  • And the thing is, every time there is a reference to laughing made by a dominant woman it is assumed (by me) to be that kind of vile sexless sado-mirth. Even when it’s not.

    Itsliketheyhavestolenlaughterfromus

  • I’m totally with you on the unsexiness of laughing sadistically during humiliation.

    But I have found that I really enjoy my top laughing at me while he plays with me — he occasionally does it in a way that just screams “I’m enjoying controlling you so much I just have to chuckle,” and it makes me feel… I’m not sure — relaxed, I guess. Happy that I can please him just by doing the things that I like doing (submitting).

    I would totally love to see more porn where the top is laughing out of enjoyment, and not from degrading or making fun of the bottom.

  • I guess I always thought that the pro-dom laughing-at-the-pathetic-bottom thing was part of their work to satisfy the bottom’s humiliation fetishes. I mean, they’re PRO, meaning that they’re doing their job for the satisfaction of the customer, the man being humiliated and laughed at. It seems to me like that derisive laughter is pretty much 100% for the benefit of the person being laughed at, or for the benefit of the humiliation fetishists buying that F/m porn. I don’t think the main market for that sort of thing is dominant women.

    Of course, it raises the question of why that market is so focused on humiliation as an intrinsic aspect of F/m — is it because for whatever reason, the bulk of the men buying this stuff (whether porn or the actual services of a pro-dom) actually are into that sort of thing? Or is it just a rampant, incorrect stereotype that most submissive men also get off on humiliation?

  • Re terminology – what’s wrong with good old-fashioned ‘lover’?

  • … bad port???

    *bad porn*

    Uh… note to self, don’t respond to blogs before first cup of coffee.

  • Sweet, I got quoted TWICE here. And for the record I don’t feel bitched out or anything. I know that you and I, while both kinky, are super different in why and how we approach it. I love seeing how it works in your head, how we both like the same thing (crawling hot man-subs) but we get there in such different ways. So I probably over explain myself whenever you say “What the hell is up with X?” and I happen to enjoy the hell out of X. It’s even more amusing when, in cases like this, I’ve been accused by the Latex ProDomme brigade as not being dominant for the very same thing.

    I could go into why I use the words boy when talking about submissive men, but grammar discussions and kink always leave me a little frustrated and they never actually resolve anything, so on to the laughing.

    I laugh all the time during sex and while topping, but I don’t take anything seriously, and for me, kinky sex is all about having fun. I have had one lover who got really upset about me laughing during sex, but I’m having fun and happy, and my body is making my eyes cross and I’m making faces like a goober without meaning too. What’s not to love?

    So, I’m one of those infamous laughers, and oddly enough, I’ve been told flat-out that I’m not dominant BECAUSE of it. I don’t sneer, I don’t yell or raise my voice, I either go barefoot or wear flat shoes, and if I’m going to be beating someone I wear cotton because it breathes better. All of these are things I’ve been given hell about, but I either consider it an adorable quirk or personal style.

    During that oh-so-lovely fucking that I’m prone to do with my boyfriend/slave, I have yelled out: Fourty-two and I know where my towel is, I choose you pikachoo, KAAAAAAHHHHHHHNNNNNN, and once I spent an entire orgasm, while thrashing, trying to stick a vibrator up his nose and telling him that he absolutely can’t stop what he’s doing. He didn’t miss a beat, but he was making horrible faces and doing everything he could to NOT get hit up the nose with a vibrator. It was hilarious, true, but it was also awesome.

    There has never, ever been a man who has let me touch his erection who has not had me laughing wildly while treating his penis like a joystick in a computer game while shouting “CURSE YOU RED BARON!” and then pretending to play said computer game, complete with sound effects. Cocks are fun.

    I have been known to do things during super intense public play like raise my paddle over my head with one arm and say things like “I win one internets, muahahah!” and I am locally famous for screaming or having someone else scream “I feel like a pretty pretty princess.” I have also walked into a scene and said “Stand aside, everyone, I take large steps” like Captain Miles Gloriosus from A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum.

    Someone really wise told me once that if you don’t have one good belly laugh during a scene, you’re probably doing something wrong, like taking yourself too seriously, and then you’re one leather vest and a committee chairmanship away from being a tool.

    On the other hand, I am also the type of person that busts out with really bad disco dancing in the grocery store whenever funk music comes on, and I have a bouncing Buddha on a spring on my dashboard, and my car has penguin seat covers. I have worn hideous pink fuzzy slippers to professional conferences before, and I wear knee high striped socks.

    I also know that I play a lot more casually than you do, and while there are a lot of lines I won’t cross with someone who I don’t know well, and may or may not be in a relationship with someone else… telling them to do something ridiculous and then HAVING THEM DO IT is just fun. It’s a little power trip, it’s soothing to my savage ego, and that little power exchange can be sweet, fun, exciting, and sexy without being a dripping-panties moment. It’s not as good as say, hurting Bob until I come, but it’s a lot better than watching Dressed To Kill again.

    (and now, I will take my epic comment to my own damn blog and ramble THERE, instead of bothering the nice people here with the rest of my thoughts on the matter.)

  • Jones, I think I have mentioned before that i don’t believe that the punishment you deal out should be amusing, but then I doubt you have ever hurt your lovers with the intent that I have recieved in the past. And I am not just talking about the torture I received in South East Asia and West Africa, the love of my life paid someone to shoot me for fucks sake.
    Still I suppose if you are dealing with such weird imagery in your sexuality as you guys do, I suppose it is the light-heartedness that separates it from the true grimness of suffering. I am surprised Jack is not into the whole pony boy thing, the way you describe him I would have thought he was grade A stallion material.

  • I seem to have missed a lot of your blog Jones, i have been back in hospital for the last 3 weeks. Good to see you are still angry and confrontational.

  • I kind of like the thought that femdom porn um.. actresses? aren’t enjoying themselves and that they are hopefully suffering inside and have issues, but that doesn’t really solve anything. Couldn’t we just have a letter writing campaign to Men in Pain or something?

    Yeaaaaaah, lame-o I know, but you never know. They might go for it.

    Also, it’s weird how the older I get the more odd saying boyfriend feels. I’d like to second, ‘My man’ or even, ‘The man I am currently seeing/dating,’ for more “proper” introductions.

  • Remember when the only gay men you ever saw in popular culture were flamers? When it was all Mr Humphries all the time?

    That Hari thing. “There are two types of Acceptable Gay Man: you can be a sexless sissy who is fairly happy with his female friends and waspish one-liners, or you can be masculine and actually have a sex drive – in which case you will die.” Clearly femdoms have got halfway there?

    as for relationship words, I say ‘my person’, at least if I hope whoever I’m talking to will get it.

  • Hmm… I also laugh when dominant. I noticed that my evil grin actually scares him. It makes him small, and his efforts to crawl away are quite a turn-on. So it’s more of a tool, really.

    And I also recognise the whole ‘I smile because it’s exiting’-thing. I’m enjoying myself. It’s that predatory smile… like, how a cat would smile once she caught a mouse and played with it before she’d eat it.

    But -oh, embarrasing!- I also have this ‘mad scientist ready to take over the world’-laughterthing going on. You know, when I’m really on top of my game, and all those reactions from him and my exitement and concentration and… well, everything… makes me feel like I’m on top of the world and I start laughing… Can’t help it really. But then again, seeing how his eyes go wide in terror isn’t exactly a motivation to stop either…

    Hmm… seems that my English regarding sm needs some more practise… I hope you get my point…

  • ” Em: Re terminology – what’s wrong with good old-fashioned ‘lover’?”

    I quite like ‘lover’, but it’s just too sexual for everyday use. ‘I’ll ask my lover to babysit your kids while we go out’, ‘You’re welcome to bring your lover to the meeting’, ‘My 12 year old niece/75 year old aunt will be bringing her lover’, ‘Meet my dad and his lover’, ‘I hear the vicar has a new lover’, etc.

  • “I’m not sure I ge the gleeful thing. Do you get this stuff?”

    Immediate reaction: Oh ick. No, I don’t get that stuff. No sneering, for sure. More “Whee! This is fun!”. Or an exhilarating drunk-with-power feeling. But, um, I *really like* the guys I do stuff with. I adore that they let me. I don’t feel like deriding them for it.

    Although, actually, I think I do chuckle. (Checking with husband – yes, I apparently do. Deviously.) I also get the Mad Scientist feeling, which is a little more detached then some of the sheer abdomen-clenching predatory glee I mentioned before.

    But I don’t really get the jeering humiliation thing. Although I imagine some people really do get off on that — I see it often enough in mandom porn too.

  • Blah.

    I laugh during sex because it can be heady and wonderful and overwhelming, and it comes out as disbelieving chortleballs that don’t sound AT ALL like jeering at this person I’m supposed to be intimate with.

    I’m laughing because they’re giving me something wonderful, endorphins are rushing through me, and I’m giddy, just completely out of my head. Not because they’re so low as to make me just slap my knee and giggle at their ridiculousness- what kind of ‘goddess’ would waste her (excuse me, Her) time on someone she can’t even keep a straight face around?

    Operative word of my rant there being ‘intimate’. Is commercial/”mainstream” femdom about taking intimacy out of being with someone?

    Hooligans.

    Don’t let them get you down, BJ. You have your companions, a very strong opinion, and the mental capacities in which to convey those very strong opinions.

    Everything those trollops don’t have, in other words. lolololetc

  • I think that the laughter thing goes along with humiliation. I mean, what’s more humiliating than being laughed at? Not much.

    I come as much from a ball-busting background as a femdom one and a lot of the guys into bb want a woman to kick them in the balls and then laugh at them rolling around on the ground in pain. And clearly, the reason they want this is so that they’ll feel humiliated. The laughter is a further humiliation heaped upon the humiliation of being kicked in the balls. They aren’t trying to desexualize femdoms because most of them don’t really even want femdoms, per se. Most of them want women who are mean and sadistic, but they’re mostly just masochistic, not submissive. They don’t want to take orders and find black leather dominatrixes a turn off. But they still want to be laughed at. It’s because being laughed at is humiliating and they want to be humiliated.

    I, on the other hand, am not the slightest bit into humiliation and would probably get pissed if the wife started laughing at me and probably lose interest in being played with.

  • I laugh. I chuckle. I even giggle. But not “point and jeer” kind of laughter. More like “Wow! That entire chocolate cake is for me?!” kind of laughter. I also laugh when I climax.

    Here is an idea. Maybe the reason the laughing and jeering is so unappealing in the Femdom porn, is because it is bad acting. Like it says “laugh” in the script and the actresses don’t understand the emotion behind the laughter and get it wrong. Imagine if someone who had no idea what an orgasm was like was told to act like she was having an orgasm and scream, and she screamed like someone was pulling off her nose. It would seem wrong when you watched it.


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