You know what I say:
I say, there are as many dominant women as there are submissive men. There are enough for one each. It could all be fine. Bunches of women are more than capable of being turned on by male submission ‘cause it is hot.
But those women aren’t here because they are driven away by how horrible this culture is to women. There is probably nothing such as turn off as brutal harsh porn driven idea about female sexuality and desire being presented as what women actually want. What you are meant to want if you are a dominant woman.
That is what happens in femdom. I said it better way back when I said this:
Do you not see? Do you not see? You have created a woman repelling space full of unreasonable expectations of female physicality, predatory sexual creepiness, penis fixation (just ’cause you’ve locked it in a plastic cage doesn’t mean you aren’t still letting your world revolve around it) and pay-for-play as an acceptable norm.
And then you are surprised – surprised! – that there are no women here. Even though you have practically built a woman repelling force field around this place. You really like sexual frustration that much, huh?
Some people don’t believe me. And to those unbelievers I say: I am right.
Those people need to know that nowadays I get 2 or 3 emails a month from women saying, ‘Oh yeah, Beej. Now I get it. Oh yikes I am a dominatrix!‘ Or something. They are actually more articulate than that.
I don’t print a lot of reader mail (in fact I don’t think I ever have before), but I love this one. I excerpted from it in The Complete Bitchy Jones – but I think the whole thing is worth reading.
Hi,
I know you get alot of these, but in case you’re keeping track for statistical purposes – I love LOVE your blog, and I feel like I’m one of the women who has never considered myself dom because I find the bdsm scene pretty cold, creepy, and not sexy.
Since you asked – I stumbled across your blog when I was googling around. Since then I’ve been working my way through the archives, laughing myself sick, getting teary eyed – and also turned on.
Thank you for your writing. It’s so emotional, and beautiful, and true. I’m in a happy vanilla relationship now, and though I wish I could figure out how to introduce some kink into our sex life, in the meantime I have your blog to read.
Also, I just wanted to share some thoughts with you on the prodom subject. A very old friend of mine has grown up to be a prodom, and she embodies the stereotype exactly, from the Amazon wish list to the KLASSY ‘I love mozart and I read Derrida and I am an artiste of dominance and pain’ etc. etc. blah blah blah. She wears the latex, she wields the strap on, her website features pictures of her looking hot and scornful and tying men up in elaborate rope bondage. And she never gets fucked. SHE NEVER GETS FUCKED. She loathes the men that she beats and she never gets fucked.
Here’s the thing about her that you haven’t addressed exactly on your blog: this IS all very gratifying to her. She doesn’t get off sexually from hurting men – she gets off mentally on being adored, and worshipped, and having people be all in awe and like “wow, you’re so beautiful and powerful and mysterious” – because she’s an insecure mess and she needs male attention/approval like a fish needs water. She’s drunk on the fantasy image of herself that she’s created (the image that she wishes she was rather than the boring, suburban reality of her upbringing), and she needs and craves the kind of fawning adoration she gets from her clients. The fact that she can hurt these men, and they will still desire/adore/worship her is proof (to her) that she is just THAT fucking hot and incredible. The idea that these men like pain is kind of overlooked – it’s about her being so amazing that they suffer just to bask in the glow of her greatness – as opposed to them just liking the hurt.
I think that’s why when most prodoms talk about how it’s ‘mental’ and all that crap, what they really mean is this kind of thing – the desperate, desperate need to be desired to the point of worship. That’s the turn on for them. I’m not even totally sure it’s sexual. It’s just like this intensely exaggerated extension of the pretty typical insecurities most heterosexual women feel about wanting to be pretty and wanting men to be turned on by them.
And the no sex thing is like, they need the worship, and being cold and distant is how they think they hold on to that, because they really don’t believe a man can worship something he can have. Being the object of worship is more important than getting fucked. In fact, it’s the whole point.
This is clearly not the same thing as the desperate, desperate need to see a man on his knees, taking pain for you and getting hard in the process. It’s not much about sweaty, hot sex at all. It’s about being emotionally/psychologically needy to the point of total fucking craziness. I think it’s about that at least as often as it’s about money. It’s not actually female dominance or female power at all. It’s just really, really insecure women poaching submissive guys because they want to be the princess, the goddess, the superior sexual uber-woman.
It’s not on accident that so many of them are ‘models,’ or more realistically, women who aren’t quite beautiful enough to really BE models but wish they were and like to pretend they are (thus the glut of arty, fashiony, black & white photographs of them looking hot in latex and lipstick on their websites). These are often (maybe not always, I don’t know) women who feel they simply don’t exist if there is no male gaze to validate them. Being a prodom is the fast way to get that gaze to the nth fucking degree.
It’s pretty sad, when you think about it. A sub-culture that’s supposed to be about women actively wanting and desiring has been co-opted by the exact opposite – women who need to be wanted and desired. And that’s why it makes sense for them to lump all that perversion together under femdom (feminization, the age-play), because the point is to be the worshiped goddess, to grant man their fantasies in order to become the fantasy, and inflicting pain is just one flavor of that process.
Anyway, it’s no mystery to me why women who might actually be sexually aroused by a man collared and chained to a radiotor are not so interested in this sub-culture. It’s driven by narcissism, not sex. And at the end of the day, I’d rather be fucked than worshiped.
So those were the thoughts I wanted to share. You rock so hard. I wish I’d read this blog 13 years ago.
Thank you.
God, someone that smart loves me. How happy am I right now? Not least because she has supplied me with an entire fabulous post right there. But also, whoops, look, there goes a brilliant, brilliant woman who is turned on by men hurting and is she here hurting you? No. You lost her by disguising super hot male submission as crappy crap. Well done.


29 Comments
February 27, 2008 at 2:28 am
Anyway, it’s no mystery to me why women who might actually be sexually aroused by a man collared and chained to a radiotor are not so interested in this sub-culture. It’s driven by narcissism, not sex. And at the end of the day, I’d rather be fucked than worshiped.
Damn, that is fucking brilliant. I mean, really.
And reading this made me think — Beej, when I read your descriptions of hurting Jack, or Pan, or any other man, and how hot that is to you, and how beautiful they are to you in all that pain and piss and whatnot, well, your tone really does have an element that I can only call worshipful.
Understand, I don’t mean “worship” in the faux-domme, you-must-grovel-at-my-feet-but-there-will-never-ever-be-sex meaning of “worship.” I’m just struck suddenly by the fact that men in pain are so goddamn sexy to you that it makes you weak in the knees, and it seems like that weak-kneed-ness is a little bit like awe. And awe is pretty close to worship. In the sense that what we worship, ideally, is something that we value above all else.
Does that make sense? Or am I talking utter nonsense?
February 27, 2008 at 2:47 am
“You have created a woman repelling space full of unreasonable expectations of female physicality, predatory sexual creepiness, penis fixation (just ’cause you’ve locked it in a plastic cage doesn’t mean you aren’t still letting your world revolve around it) and pay-for-play as an acceptable norm.”
Who me?? Damn. I’m my own worst enemy
February 27, 2008 at 6:46 am
And here i was, thinking i was doing it wrong by having sex at the end of whatever it is that i get up to…
February 27, 2008 at 8:11 am
Teppycat
Yes, you’re completely right. I guess I wouldn’t use the word worship – but really only because that word has been destroyed for me by this horrible corner of kink where I live.
Awe is probably a good word for what you feel when you look at something perfectly beautiful and impossible to understand
February 27, 2008 at 1:28 pm
This person’s take on pro dommes does make a lot of sense. Plausible, and very sad. I would bet it is true to some degree — SOME degree — for all women who do sex or sexy stuff for pay.
I’m glad I didn’t find out about dominatrixing for pay until I had been doing it for fun for many years and was too happy with myself to care. It still pains me, though. If I were starting out today and realized my sexual bent put me in a class with prostitutes, in the eyes of the general population, I think I would be facing lots of therapy, shame, and denial. And I sure wouldn’t be having as much fun as I am now. I’d do my best to bury it, or at least keep it in the realm of secret fantasy.
February 28, 2008 at 6:40 am
3 cheers to that!
So, what can we do to make a better (or possibly entirely new) subculture for those of us who really get off on hurting men, even though we love them, too?
February 28, 2008 at 8:29 pm
“So, what can we do to make a better (or possibly entirely new) subculture for those of us who really get off on hurting men, even though we love them, too?”
Good question.
It is known that the ratio between Dommes and subs is very skewed, sometimes said to be 1:100. I think this is indicative to how Femdom is largely a commercial environment. For example an accountant cannot make a living off 1 customer seeing as the ideology is business. The involvement of the said accountant with 1 person would be a different ideology.
Before the net proportionally speaking the numbers between Dommes and subs was less skewed and there where more F/m relationships, while from what Ive heard at present Dommes are dropping from the scene like flies, or not interested.
I think the ratio of 1:100 is a kind of perpetual market saturation ratio more than anything else (like a business terminal velocity) Its not a fixed entity it shifts over time something like this (for rough example):
To begin with 1:100 ratio within 10,000 people so 100:10,000 is the same as 1:100.
The majority ideology of 1:100 transcends to 100,000 people so that’s 1000:100,000. Which is the same as 1:100.
Then its 100,000,000 people so that’s 1000,000:100,000,000. Which is the same as 1:100.
Etc,
I think it is perpetuated by virtue of the attraction or not merits of its self to whomever, by which decisions of entry or involvement are made. A Domme looking for a normal 1-1 relationship in this circumstance is often a statistical anomily to the environment.
I think you are right to say: “(or possibly entirely new) subculture” in that I think that this is probably the only way, to create another environment altogether and keep it the way it was intended by its founders. I think this is a fair argument seeing as I wouldnt walk into a Pro Dommes premise and advertize my business there.
February 29, 2008 at 2:46 am
It’s funny because that long email about insecurity reminds me of the impressions I get from the mandom I have seen around. Master seems to be desperate to reinforce his physical dominance and needs the pathetic(but sexy) femme to be completely lame and powerless and must have his ego bolstered at all times.
Most mandom seems a far cry from your femdom ideal of brave submission and suffering, perhaps thats why I find I find it so very un-hot.
February 29, 2008 at 9:29 am
“Master seems to be desperate to reinforce his physical dominance and needs the pathetic(but sexy) femme to be completely lame and powerless and must have his ego bolstered at all times”
Hilarious! Using a FEMALE to “reinforce” his “physical dominance” because he got beaten up by a piece of cheese.
February 29, 2008 at 10:11 am
Hilarious! Using a FEMALE to “reinforce” his “physical dominance” because he got beaten up by a piece of cheese.
uhhhh… acutualy exactly. My impression is the there are a bunch of mandoms who are real attention whores and to quote the email, “drunk on the fantasy image of herself[himself] that she’s[he's] created”. The mandom world would prolly seem much hotter to me if in fact we had more brave and sexy suffering. As it is better than mainstream femdom about sexyness but still really unsatisfying. But what the hell do I know, I’m just a plain vanilla broad with slight dominant tendencies.
February 29, 2008 at 10:47 am
I think there is a problem in most d/s porn of the dominant person looking like a lamer.
I used to think it was just down to femdom being broken and a lot of mandoms actually being lamers. But maybe there is something intrinsically lame in being dominant.
February 29, 2008 at 10:54 am
I know that for me I lot of what I get from dominance *is* ego boosting. It’s mixed up with the turn on stuff and I am not sure how to distinguish my pathetic needs to feel big and powerful from the ones outlined in the email above. Maybe I understand what she’s talking about too well. Maybe I have the narcissism *and* the love of the sheer beauty of it. I don’t know.
I actively try not to get drawn into femdom smuggery. That glow of having ten trillion responses to a personal ad – because I know it is a trap. And for all dominance can boost my ego it also hollows it out and makes it crumble too.
It’s hard to escape the idea that being dominant ties into being broken and weak. I’d like to explore that more when I’ve thought about it more.
February 29, 2008 at 2:51 pm
I decided yesterday to start using the phrase “commercial dominatrix” rather than “professional dominatrix.” I want to emphasize the money-changing-hands aspect rather than the years-of-training-while-listening-to-classical-music-
don’t-try-this-at-home aspect. But I do like the sound of “pro dom” rather than “com dom.” I’m worried that people will confuse it with “dot com.”
February 29, 2008 at 3:11 pm
If the ratio is 1:100 then who’s got the 99 other men that I’m entitled to? Come on girls, don’t be greedy!
Seriously, when I’ve tipped my toe in the ’scene’, I’ve noticed a fair few dominant women around. I don’t think they can be that rare.
February 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Lorelin, I swear, I only have one! (at a time…)
Maisy, I like the ring of “commercial dominatrix.” After all, true professions are much more than simply doing something for money. Professions usually have licensing/certification and a code of ethics, for one thing.
Unfortunately “comdom” doesn’t sit well in the ear.
February 29, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Is it harsh and mean to say prodom works for me because it sounds like it is short for prostitute dominatrix.
And what I do with a man to make myself come is sex, goddamnit.
February 29, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Or we could keep using asshat. Or dominasty. Or diminatrix.
Sorry, this kind of thing gets them riled up in forums.
February 29, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Well, if I meet any pro doms, I’m going to try using the word “commercial” rather than “professional.” “Comdom” may not work since people may think I’m talking about Trojans.
February 29, 2008 at 9:04 pm
“…to grant men their fantasy in order to become that fantasy, and inflicting pain is just one flavor of the process….”
How beautifully, deliciously deep!
http://janeyruthsscreenplays.blogspot.com/
February 29, 2008 at 10:34 pm
I am a stripper and I experience first hand the male fantasy about femdom. It is very stylized. However, when I took charge with my instinct rather then my knowledge of the bondage culture, I ended up in a three year S&M relationship, with prime pain endorsements and such. Rad.
God bless you for taking the responsibility of making this specific difference between penis culture and bondage know how.
March 2, 2008 at 2:28 am
I need a step by step on how to fix this.
I’ll form a committee and have meetings and everything.
I’ve got some switch friends that I play with regularly though. does that help?
March 2, 2008 at 2:04 pm
I’m not sadistic but I’m interested in joining the committee and representing the tea party doms.
March 4, 2008 at 3:37 pm
“If the ratio is 1:100 then who’s got the 99 other men that I’m entitled to? Come on girls, don’t be greedy!
Seriously, when I’ve tipped my toe in the ’scene’, I’ve noticed a fair few dominant women around. I don’t think they can be that rare”
I have no idea. The term “boyfreind” is actually quite rare. I don’t think what you see is all though, there will be a lot of male subs who take a look then decide its best left alone while a lot of Dommes don’t hang around for long either.
Like I say I think the skewed ratio is no more than an encapsulated thing indicative of the kind of environment Bitchy Jones speaks of, like a kind of crappy flag ship.
I know that the only kind of relationship I would be interested in would be a normal one in which we know each other as real people and this stuff is just the fun sex bit. In the UK it was discussed recently that finding a relationship like that for a male sub looking for a Domme in the scene is very unlikely.
March 4, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I think that’s a good point. If the number of dominant women (god, I fucking hate the word domme – gendered nouns are always a sign of something wrong) isn’t bothering you – compare the number of femdom/mansub LTRs you know about versus the number of mandom/femsub ones.
So all these dominant women people tell me they are seeing? How come they don’t want to have relationships with submissive men. Wouldn’t that, like, make sense?
March 4, 2008 at 8:48 pm
“How come they don’t want to have relationships with submissive men. Wouldn’t that, like, make sense?
You would have thought so but how does one define a Domme?! The definition seems so loose, looser than the metaphorical collective pumelled ass of Femdom.
March 7, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Nice that you got such mail. People still need to realise that it’s the men who need to be submissive.
March 12, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Although i have been around D/s for a long time, i recently came clean to my Wife about my interests. After telling all, we found that it lined up perfectly with Her own interests. What a match made in heaven. But here is why i am commenting.
In starting over on a journey together, which we are going to do, i have got a second chance to look at things through Her eyes and see the Female perspective and i have to agree, men have made it about themselves and nearly ruined it for everyone by chasing off all the Women who would other wise be very open to exploring their Dominating nature.
i have learned this myself with the example of the CB6000. i have to make myself forget all about my cock until She is ready to unlock it in order to focus on Her pleasure, and that is really where my mind should have been all along. i want to get to the point in our journey, where my reward is being allowed to orally worship Her and derive my pleasure from Hers. Not where the ultimate reward is to be unlocked. She loves me and this will inevitably come (pun intended), but it should be on Her terms and not mine.
Unfortunately those guys without a Woman, or without one to address as their Goddess have only one button to push to explore the pleasure associated with submission: their wee-bits. So it is with this in mind that i make this suggestion. If you are searching for that special someone, go ahead and log on to some porn, use your hand and get it over with. After you release, then if you still are serious about finding someone special, your thinking will be much clearer and you wont scare so many away. Just ask the ladies on collar me dot com, they get bombarded with email and they give up and just ignore all of it.
Sad thing to realize how men, my history included, scared away so many.
May 9, 2008 at 7:25 pm
One some places there are actually more female “Dommes” than female switches *cough*
I think theres about 1 Domme to every 10 male subs, as opposed to a 90% defection rate among Dommes (sad but true yet good on them never the less) in which there are purported to be 1 Domme for every 100 male subs, a perpectual terminal velocity market saturation ratio born of the direction of proliferation due to votes collectively cast into the social environment.
This means there will be 9 Dommes *outside* the scene at an estimate ratio of 1:10 – 90% of the 1 demographic = 1:1
1:1
May 9, 2008 at 7:40 pm
“Unfortunately those guys without a Woman, or without one to address as their Goddess have only one button to push to explore the pleasure associated with submission: their wee-bits”
I agree, those that are aware of the situation could know better. Although there might be some out there who have no context for their sexuality and are unaware therefore think that this is the only option therefore don’t regard it as something valid between partners which would be a shame.
I also think your 3rd paragraph down might correlate nicely with foreplay issues, perhaps more women need to be aware of F/m.
I can relate to what you say about squalorme.com too, before the internet one would have to spend about 33 weeks and £500 to do the same thing as 100 copy and pastes in a matter of a few clicks, the wonder of technology.