Once, I was at a party. It was a small party. A little group of friends. Nothing odd or kinky about it. It was not, let’s be clear, a femdom tea party. (I don’t go to those. Not that I get invited. Not that I’d go if I did – I’m allergic to other dominant women – it’s a sad, sad thing. No, really, submissive men complain about the deathly dearth of non-insane dominant women, but that sad fact is just as brow-furrowing for me. ‘Cause it’s lonely at the top and ten times more lonely for the fact that everyone else up here is a crazy, sex-phobic, materialist, asshatter-o-bot.)
But, so, yes, normal party. Little gathering of people. A cluster around a table. Drink flows. Conversation, uh, also flows.
So, you get it, right, everything that ought to be flowing, is.
The talk is, as it often is, of popular culture. Celebrities we’d like to fuck. We, are seven or eight of us at a table, urbanites, almost exclusively thirtysomething, artsy professionals – basically, if you handed any of us a latte we would drink it – and then one woman, a good friend, says, yeah, but we’d all fuck Angeline Jolie, right?
Next to me, Pan tenses and turns. Amber alert. An eye roll as micro-expression. Now Pan – Pan is drop dead smart. Smart like a superpower. Sometimes I think Pan is like Doctor Who or Dungeon Master (not in *that* way). Or a giant chess-playing computer. It’s like he has always worked out every possible next move and evaluated them all against a probability algorithm. Pan is so stupid smart, it’s only a matter of time before the military take possession of him.
But in this case, Pan has no need of smart smarts to flash me an easy tiger. This one is as predictable as lung cancer in the Malboro Man.
‘Cause I’m cross about the Angelina factor, oh yeah, I’m seething and I would say something. But my little bleat of, I wouldn’t, ‘cause of my straight, gets lost, lost like my lost love Sayid, under a quick-smart barrage of everyone else in the gorram fucking world saying that, yes, they would, but of course, and how damn true. So I never get make my point that if they’re all queueing up for Jolie jollies does that mean Brad Pitt is at a loose end, cause that’s the end I’d rather be at, frankly, even if he hasn’t be really properly, actually hot since Twelve Monkeys Thelma and Louise. No chance. Nah, hush up Bitchy, everyone, yes everyone, would fuck Angelina Jolie. Some cultural memes are just bigger than any one person’s personal sexual preferences.
And you know what, this happened over a year ago. And I have been brooding about this event twelve long seethe-heavy months. Because, although it could have been the case that all the other women present were into women – not actually that unlikely in that particular gathering. Like I said before, young urban, urbane, liberated trendoid women have a practical obligation to recreational lesbianism. Anything else would be bad!feminism. ‘Cause not sleeping with women = hating women. That’s why. That’s why gay men are all such misogynists and straight men are… uh, hang on…
(Ah, gee, straight men, you know I love you, but you’re so fricking clumsy. I know, I know, growth spurt in teenage years, never quite got your body image back – and yet you park like wheel-whisperers so what’s all that about? – but, hey, you clumsy old daddy bears, any chance you could stop breaking, like, everything, with your big clumsy man paws and emotional autism. Hey, for me? Is that a no? God you’re such fucking bastards. And I don’t mean in, like, a hot way.)
Anyway, after a year of sulking about it seemingly unproductively, I realised what this shit is about. (So take that, dismissers of sulking as a way to get stuff done.) Not just that conversation, but every time ever I have been talking to a woman about some other woman, a girlfriend or a celebrity that she admired and adored and the accolades would end with the claim that my companion was so enamored of this other woman that she had a girl crush, or even more simply put that she would so totally sleep with her, or go gay for her, or whatever. You know these conversations you’ve probably had them. And, don’t think I don’t know, you have probably said it about me.
And don’t think that I think that if you are a straight woman and have said this about another woman that you are dumb or lazy or stupid or bad!feminist of a breaker of one of Bitchy Jones’s rules because I have done it, but I try not to do it now, because I have realised why people do it.
It is because the highest compliment you can pay a woman is to proclaim that you find her fuckable.
Always and forever and as simple as that.
If you admire a woman and like her, if you find her witty and attractive, if you like the way she thinks, well obviously, you want to fuck her. Because if you were a straight man, that’s where that would lead. But if you’re someone who isn’t sexually attracted to women, you might think you are feeling that too, you might even feel that you are insulting that woman if you don’t want to sleep with her (dishing out the ultimate insult by calling her unfuckable).
And, you know what, hey, let’s bring this around to me: Say you’re a straight woman (or a gay man – this can apply to you too, buttercup) reading this post and thinking all how it is, hey, awesome, and you might be feeling all kinds of emotions about me and want to express how simply damn great you obviously think I am. Well, you can call it a crush or an urge to want to sleep with me if you like, but chanow, all you really want there is to meet me, hang out, talk shit with me, drink tea and find out if I’m really so clever and witty in real life. (Clue: no. Did you get the part where I mentioned that I figured this out a year after the even that triggered it.)
But, yeah, back on the point (this blog’s most overused phrase), which is that this I’d-so-sleep-with-her phenomenon is pretty much just a side shoot from the whole damn dirty deal where women are mainly for fucking and generally supplying sex and men are the choosers and enjoyers of that sex. And also the whole thing that every piece of expression of anything ever should be expressed in the kind of terms and ideas straight men would use, as if that is some kind of default language because straight men will get confused if you don’t because they have never learned anything else, and they’ve never learned anything else because they are the default so they don’t need to. Like the circles that you find in the windmills of mostly annoying things – yeah, those windmills, okay. Just like how if you speak English you don’t need to bother learning anything else, or how everyone converts into American measurements and monies on the internet.
Hemingways, remember I mentioned gay misogyny earlier, well, that kind of links up here too. I’m not saying gay misogyny doesn’t exist (*cough*drag queens*cough*) because gay men live in the same patriarchal wilderness I do, and are therefore just as likely to display a bit of casual misogyny as anyone (that likeliness: sadly, quite likely. Shoot!) but, what often gets called out as specifically gay misogyny is actually gay men expressing an active personal sexual dislike of women’s bodies. I’m not saying that saying vaginas=gross is helpful for anyone in a culture where women’s bodies are simultaneously deified and demonised, just pointing out that I also find the idea of putting my tongue in a woman’s cunt gross (seriously, even Angelina’s. I know. Freak me!) and I know what it’s like to have the world assume I would fucking love it and what it is like to feel the need to keep on pointing out that, no, I don’t think that tits are the fucking last word in a sexay design feature on a human body
Plus, god, do we live in a fucking culture where it is perfectly okay to laugh at the supposed grossitude of cocks – just let me check, why, yes we do – and do any of the lesbians or straight men who faux-barf at the idea of a warm bed and a hot man get accused of misandry. Why, no.
Oh.
And this is because saying you don’t want to sleep with a man isn’t a personal insult to him, particularly if sleeping with men isn’t your thing. And saying sleeping with men isn’t your thing (even with graphic penis-repulsion-reenactments) is never called misandry. In fact the average gross-out comedy’s compulsory gay-panic scene will often get (rightly) called homophobic – never misandric.
Saying you wouldn’t want to sleep with a woman is practically a slight – even if it just isn’t your port of call. And thusly and conversely any stream of praise for a woman must end with the claim you would sleep with her, or surely that is faint priase. Saying you’re not into women in general – if couched in the right squelchy terms – is called misogyny. This is because rejecting women as unfuckable is a far bigger deal (their lives now have, like No! Meaning!) Than rejecting men as unfuckable. (Like, whatever, dude)
In some ways the compulsory recreational woman-fucking liberal culture assumes of all its female members is down to some misrouted idea that not wanting to sleep with women would mean hatin’ on women. And we liberal woman don’t go hatin’ on women, do we?
So we make sappy-sexless claims that women smell nice and have soft skin (I mean, oh fuck that noise, women (or, men) who are actually into women don’t slime around with that shit about nice olfactory and tactile sensations. Where is the lust? Shit, if you’re using the word ‘nice’ about any damn thing, check your pants, ‘cause you’re not experiencing lust, baby.) When, fuck that, men smell of sex and their skin is a sensation playground with the hair and – if I’m lucky – the work-wrought rough patches. I feel this way because I am straight.
Just because we live in a culture where all of everything ever has been defined by straight men doesn’t mean we have to fall for it. Dumb lies that women are just the sexual bullseye. And the dark heart of that is that even if you like being bully, even if you – no shit – find it empowering, when women get to be the sexual it thing, you know what, not all women get to be that.
I don’t.
I know this post can be read as somewhat, uh, dismissive of ideas of sexual fluidity. I do appreciate that there is a whole Kinsey scale and everything. And that wherever you might think of yourself on that scale it isn’t fixed for life, but I didn’t want to clutter up my beayootifuel writins with endless qualifications about how this might not apply if you are bisexual or some other kind of self identified sexual lucky dipper. But sexual fluidity can be used to wash away women’s own sexual identities. Too much fluidity, too much choice, ends – bizarrely – in homogeny.
And I hid, rather well I think, the fact that even I am blinded my own preferences to the point that I simply refuse to believe that anyone, anyone, not matter what their magic number would prefer Maggie over Jake.
Ah, damn me and my straight. Mea bloody culpa. As cupla as us all.


31 Comments
May 14, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I hope you don’t mind – I linked to this post in my blog, entry here: http://standingonthebrink.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/the-highest-compliment/ – because you’re a bloomin’ genius. And I thought you should know – that tag, Best Post Ever = utterly and delectably right. Thanks
Jenny xxx
May 14, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I actually think you have a really good point. Which is kind of surprising because I am just about as bi as it gets (you know that old line about how if you placed two identical bowls of food at equal distances from a dog, the dog would starve to death because it couldn’t choose? that would be me, with the mens and the womens). But you’re right, I hear a lot of that stuff from women who are not normally so much into pussy. And I do *not* hear so much of that stuff about men. … okay, except from me.
May 14, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Jake sux. Maggie 4 eva. But no, I wouldn’t fuck her. Is this really how women talk at parties? I have evidently lived a very sheltered life.
May 15, 2009 at 2:44 am
Hrrrm. Food-for-thought-y in the extreme, and something I am going to have to turn over in my head for a bit.
(Also, as someone who actually *is* one of those bisexuals, I feel like I ought to point out that I could name right off the top of my head about thirty people I’d rather have sex with than Angelina Jolie — a list which would currently start off “Philip Glenister” and end “this girl in Ireland I sort of vaguely know via the internets” — and not only because Ms Jolie seems to be going a very unappealing variety of insane.)
May 15, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I know this post can be read as somewhat, uh, dismissive of ideas of sexual fluidity. I do appreciate that there is a whole Kinsey scale and everything….But sexual fluidity can be used to wash away women’s own sexual identities. Too much fluidity, too much choice, ends – bizarrely – in homogeny.
It’s not actually dismissive, if you mean it right, and us on the ends of the Kinsey scale love to argue about this topic ad nauseum. Not to get all theoretical on your ass (too late), but I believe you can accept fluidity and still make room for heterogeneity. It ain’t mutually exclusive, people are too complicated for that. Take someone like me, I like “queer” over LGBTQ or any other unpronouncable acronym which both sounds lame and doesn’t really fit everyone–so yeah, it’s a little homogenous . Think about it one way, and it lumps all your perverts together in one group. But then I’m also keen on words like “femme” for myself which are specific and label-y and not very homogenous at all.
It might not be up your alley (on the porn side), but for this kinda thing, you might like some of the writings over on Sugarbutch.net. But then again you might know it already.
May 15, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Wow, this was a good post. So much to think about. And I am so in love with this – “sexual fluidity can be used to wash away women’s own sexual identities”.
I once read someone (can’t remember who) who said something along the lines of: “people find the idea of sexual fluidity appealing in women, because a fluid takes the shape of whatever container it is poured into”. Women’s sexuality is always chiefly seen as a commodity to be used and enjoyed by someone else.
May 15, 2009 at 4:43 pm
i stayed with a boyfriend for about 18 months too long because he was so nice and lovely that i couldn’t possibly be not-really-in-love-with-him as i suspected. that would be insane troll logic. so i’m vulnerable to this from both ways round.
great post.
May 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I promise I haven’t completely missed the point of this post but I want to make a loud noise about being a bisexual woman who has never found Angelina Jolie attractive. She’s really far removed from being my type, and I know a lot of other gay/bi women who agree. For some reason it’s mostly straight women who believe they HAVE TO HAVE TO find women attractive who pick her.
… sorry about the digression.
May 16, 2009 at 12:00 am
well, count me in on the side of “fuck her? Don’t even want to know her.” I can’t stand AJ, I think she is a self aggrandizing publicity sucking mangey hound. And if she isn’t then she needs to fire her publicist a year or two ago yesterday.
Ahem. Now that that’s out of the way… I find your ideas, as well as how you express them intriguing and grist for the grinding of my mind at odd times. Your posts often leave me with more questions than answers and I thank you for that.
I agree with you, a percentage of the time, another percentage I don’t have an opinion but usually do one way or t’other by the time I’m done your post.
thanks for the thinkin’ time, ’tis appreciated.
May 16, 2009 at 8:13 am
She’s too skinny. Except for when she’s pregnant- then she’s lovely. But I still wouldn’t fuck her.
Brad Pitt in Kalifornia, on the other hand… well, only ever in Kalifornia. Not in any other movie or at any other time. Too damn cocky, and too damn clean.
May 16, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I was discussing this post with my boyfriend (and noting it as a rather embarrassing epiphany, actually – I, too, have been guilty of using ‘I would have sex with you’ as code for ‘I think you are an awesome woman and I really respect you’ before. Your entry really made me think about that, and what it meant, and I don’t think I’ll use the phrase again. Even though I’m bi and really *am* attracted to that girl physically, I don’t *want* to reduce her awesomeness to ‘fuckability’, because I don’t want her to reduce her to that when she’s so much more. Aaaaanyway).
I wanted to ask, where do you think the ‘man-crush’ fits in? While I almost never see men saying ‘I’m straight but I’d fuck [male celebrity/scientist/etc]‘ (and I think you’re absolutely right here, re: fuckability being the highest praise possible for a woman but not so for a man), but I *have* seen roughly as many cases of ‘man-crushes’ as I have ‘girl-crushes’. Is it a different story when it’s not linked directly to ‘fuckability’, or am I hanging out with sexually fluid men as well as women (… that sounds so much dirtier than I mean it…) or something else?
I’d love to hear your opinions, even though I know it falls a bit outside of the point of this particular post.
May 16, 2009 at 5:01 pm
OK, to be fair, Angelina Jolie’s fame or whatever “good” qualities she is seen as having are based on her looks. Therefore saying one would like to fuck her is not really beside the point. That’s what she’s all about–appearing fuckable. So fuckable that even supposedly otherwise straight women want to fuck her.
I find her repulsive.
I don’t know if, say, Hillary Clinton supporters would say (would have said?) that they would fuck her because they admire her so much. But maybe they would, and I just haven’t asked.
So I guess I haven’t really seen this behavior in action among women, but I agree that you’ve made an important point: that the highest compliment that can be paid a woman is to say she’s sexually desirable. Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention. I don’t know if I can imagine hetero men stopping this behavior, but it seems like at least women can realize it’s problematic. Though I would have hoped that women would have realized lots of things they do are problematic (e.g. high heels, Girls Gone Wild), and I’m still waiting.
May 16, 2009 at 5:23 pm
“…just pointing out that I also find the idea of putting my tongue in a woman’s cunt gross”
Yeah!
“I know what it’s like to have the world assume I would fucking love it and what it is like to feel the need to keep on pointing out that, no, I don’t think that tits are the fucking last word in a sexay design feature on a human body”
Yeah! And a woman who doesn’t feel any erotic interest for other women practically has to justify or even excuse her “odd” tastes. As an aside, why is it that – compared to the past – nowadays SO many women self-identify as bi?
May 17, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Great post. And I don’t think you’re being dismissive of bi people (at least I don’t feel in any way dismissed), because you’re talking about women who identify as straight. Bi people know they like men and women and are pretty unlikely to put ‘but’ in front of a sentence declaring who they’d like to fuck.
Straight women think they should find other women attractive because as you said it’s meant to be a compliment to the women, and also I think because we’re bombarded with messages that state 2 women fucking is hot. So for a woman to be hot they’ve got to say they want to fuck other woman. If you don’t then you must be a prude. Or not sexy. And by gods that must be the worst thing ever.
May 17, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I’m probably over conscious of being too heterocentric. And I understand why it can be an issue. But the fact is I am writing about the experience of being a straight woman and I am a self declared straight woman and I regularly get told off for ignoring the fact that some women are attracted to other women.
But, I like to think I am writing about the straight experience in the same way that queer writers write about the queer experience. And I think the sexuality of straight women is so often ignored.
Or, even, women are to defined as straight, bi, gay, etc in the way that men are. It’s just not really seen as important. (Which is actually a very subtle way female sexual desire is dismissed.)
May 17, 2009 at 1:38 pm
C’mon Jones you are playiong the straight card a bit hard. You still havent detailed your lost sapphic year! As for Angelina, maybe I am one of the few straight men who thinks Brad Pitt is far too good for her, he is a brilliant actor, (check out 12 monkeys or fight club), but this is rarely recognized because of the way he looks. Men don’t consider other men as attractive, except for young Elvis natch, but I am not embarrassed to admit I wouldn’t mind having a body like Brad’s. Angelina has obviously calculated her sexuality to such a level it is really just base marketing, she does seem somewhat insane, anyone remember the whole Billy Bob Thornton and vials of blood thing? Most men generally acdept that women feel comfortable with bisexuality but it has got to the stage now that women who aren’t interested in other women are a bit strange. I went out with a girl who won a national beauty contest in Asia and she had no interest in other women at all, (I think it was because she really loved herself), but other people found this hard to accept, I mean I know stastically women are more likely to be bisexual but when did it become the majority? In my opinion this whole bisexual women thing will become less of an issue because so many men are comfortable with it now it just doesn’t have the frisson of excitement it used to and before all the bisexual and lesbian women say, “we don’t find other women attractive just for mens entertainment”, that maybe true but when a straight woman goes on about how she wants to fuck Angelina she is clearly trying to say something about her willingness to experiment or her “wild side”.
May 17, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Ms. Jones? Can I make a request?
Can has tag for posts touching on this subject?
May 17, 2009 at 2:30 pm
My tagging is messy (er, yes) but you want this one
http://bitchyjones.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/cockoholic/
And this one
http://bitchyjones.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/on-being-straight/
May 17, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Like I said in your post “On Being Straight” – thank you! I’ve been told I’m “too straight” for my own good which translates directly to “you aren’t cooperating with being my fantasy.” My husband is the bisexual one – and he keeps very quiet about it outside the house. No one’s ever pressured him to like men! I, however, constantly get pressured to like women when I just don’t. It’s nice not to feel like the odd girl out over here.
May 18, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I too find the assumed bi-sexuality aggravating, but for different reasons. As a young girl, I had no real attraction to anyone. I dated and then went on to have sex with guys because that was what I figured was normal (it is what my friends were doing). Right around 16 my sex drive really kicked in and, lo and behold, I was attracted to GIRLS! This caused me a good bit of confusion for a teenaged year or two and then a good bit of difficulty as a young adult: you know, family, friends, society, whatnot. I remained devoted to the female gender, sexually and romantically, exclusively until I fell in love with a man in my mid-twenties. We married but became poly shortly because we both like girls. Now I am 37 and I have found a few (not many) other men that I find attractive (and still lots of women). (Okay, the truth is I appear to be sexually attracted to people who are 5′3″ or less. Wierd but true. And not many guys fall into that category) And so, I am described as bi.
Now I find that women who are “bi for kink” irritate me. I suffered all that angst and turmoil only to end up painted with the same brush as them. I feel as if they have infringed upon my sexuality.
May 18, 2009 at 2:21 pm
On the nose! I’ve used that sentence more times than I’d like to remember. No wonder it took you a year, Bj, many of us have not been getting it for all our lives…
I don’t want to be going around discrediting the women I value for being valuable only in that sense. It’s a very, very good point and now I have to make the adjustments to *get* *it* into my system.
May 18, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Random additional thought –
sometimes it seems like when grown-up people talk about having a “crush” or a “girl crush” or a “man crush” or whatever, it refers not so much to sex as to the age range associated with “crushes” — children and young teens. Like, I hear straight guys saying they have “a man crush” on Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs, and I think what they mean by it is that their admiration of him makes them feel about 12 years old. It’s an imprecise way of saying it, though — I wonder what a better word fr that would be.
May 18, 2009 at 7:55 pm
OH AND.
it just occurred to me what this post reminded me of.
people in fandom who object to some fangirls only writing porn about men.
To which I say, “if you are straight, please only write porn about people and sex acts which actually, yknow, turn you on. Because I don’t want my lesbian porn to be full of the writings of people who don’t actually find women sexy, or know what kinds of sex women have, but feel like they have to write about women to be progressive or something.”
It’s weird, in some circles I definitely feel silenced/victimized by homophobia and biphobia (with my family, at school, with certain friends, when I’m on a date with a girl and people give us dirty looks or make condescending comments), but in others there’s this whole mirror universe thing going on.
June 1, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Once you get past calling it “The Angelina Factor,” much of your rant/post/argument does make sense to me. There is no “better” power in our culture for a woman that her fuckability, there’s no question. Giving up your quest for that quality is a dangerous one for any woman, and those of us that do tend to wax angrily on it from time to time, because we do pay a price. A very unfair one, and some of us pay it in tiny ways all day, every day.
It’s one of the more minor aspects of the entire piece, really, but I find your fixation of this anger on the “We’d all fuck Angelina” to undermine your point. If Angelina was a chemist who just isolated a new element that will lead to the eradication of all forms of cancer, then sure. It would make no sense for “We’d all fuck Angelina” to run rampant in our popular tastes. But she’s an actress. And not a Meryl Streep/Kate Winslet/Kate Blanchett style actress. An actress whose career has been based on playing the most fuckable spy/drug addict/adventurer her co-star has ever seen; most press pictures of her have been designed to make the viewer, male or female, straight, bi, or gay, want to fuck her. We are supposed to want to fuck her because we are consumers, which trumps whatever gender we may be.
This is not better, of course.
I don’t really disagree with your overall lament — I just find that legitimate complaints are so easy to dismiss when they are launched from a tangential platform, rather than one with a stronger relevance. The response to the female politicians in the recent American election cycle comes to mind — Clinton, although highly accomplished, derided as ugly, lesbian, unattractive, her body mocked daily. Palin, not at all national-leadership material, but a former beauty queen! To keep going: the already de-feminizing rants against the Supreme Court nominee Sotomayer. The bizarre sexualization of Michelle Obama’s physique, no matter what she’s doing, or done. I love politics, so political examples come easily to me. But my overall point is that is making the argument that being fuckable should not be the ultimate compliment to a woman’s abilities is more relevant when not applied to the public’s reaction to a woman around whom a marketing machine stays humming, making her appear as fuckable as possible in order to bolster her career and marketability.
June 1, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Yeah, thanks for that. Sorry I disappointed you by making a different argument about something else when you like the one about how female politicians are sexualised.
Oh, and the usual side not to Americans. I’m not one. There are *other* countries. I know, I know, you just spilled your corn syrups – who knew?
June 3, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for this post. True, it has eaten away some of my valuable essay writing time, but if I had to sacrifice some time, I have done it well.
Under a similar umbrella, perhaps, I find myself venting more and more (and being told how wrong I am), on the subject of every woman on the fetish scene claiming to be bisexual. The fetish scene is pretty much a microcosm of society, and therefore, one would expect to see similar distribution of sexualities. But waaaaaait… most men are so not bi… and 99.9% of women are. Wow. And everyone is that shocked that I admit to being straight, I am thinking of forming a support group. And you know what, when I started out at a mere 18 years old, I too said I was bi. I knew I wasn’t, but immaturly, I thought: “Oh well, when in Rome…” It seems to me that there are the When-In-Romers, the My-Partner-Finds-It-So-Hotters, the Lesbo-Trendies, and the small percentage who actually aren’t fibbing when they say that pussies make them wet.
August 19, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Bitchy wrote: “So we make sappy-sexless claims that women smell nice and have soft skin (I mean, oh fuck that noise, women (or, men) who are actually into women don’t slime around with that shit about nice olfactory and tactile sensations.) ”
As a bisexual woman (do I need to write “who loves pussy and cock” to make it clear that I am a “real” bisexual?), I fully agree with your post and this comment in particular. When guys try to entice me to have sex with their “very bisexual” girlfriends by saying that the girlfriend misses the softness of a woman’s touch, it makes me want to scream. My touch isn’t soft (ok, fine, my skin is pretty soft) because I like to FUCK women, not just braid their hair and lightly lick their pussies with my tongue stuck out for the camera like in “lesbian” porn. ok, i might braid their hair to make it easier to pull on, but that’s not quite the same.
Whenever one of my girlfriends (who read your blog before she and i even met – love of bitchy jones is practically a requirement for girls and boys i’d even consider dating) comments on how soft my skin is, I reply in a breathy porn-tastic voice, “because girls have soft skin…and they smell good!” and then we giggle for a moment before fucking like animals-that-are-more-aggressive-than-bunnies.
August 19, 2009 at 7:46 pm
sorry…my personal link didn’t work on my previous comment.
October 12, 2009 at 12:07 am
Super late, but I never saw that you responded. I come over here and read in gulps all at once, then stay away for a few weeks or longer, then come back. Just wanted to say that I wasn’t disappointed in your post, I really liked it, and thought I made it clear I was musing over a really minor point in it all… which is why I used the words “minor point.” And why I said I agreed with most of it.
I’m sorry I disappointed you by agreeing with you that women are pegged into being the fuckable all the time, no matter what they do, and thinking of examples of women to admire that aren’t marketed to be fuckable yet are still discussed on those terms. And by agreeing that our point of view (non-heterosexual male) doesn’t exist while the social script is being written. And by being American, who can therefore provide more examples from my day to day life as one, while I muse on things that I think tangentially support your argument.
Do you always snark so hard at someone who says “I love this post, but this detail makes me wonder about other things?”
October 12, 2009 at 9:46 am
Yeah, I think you’re right. God, what a bitch. Sorry. My (dumb on closer inspection) policy is to let everyone comment and try and respond to some. But, god, I get, well, you know if you read them. Maybe I can be a bit snark-trigger happy.
Actually I think you’re right, although I don’t think the fixation on Angelina undermines the piece. That really happened to me and it led me to the though process above. But I get your point. Girl crushes can often be about admiration. And when the greatest way a straight woman can express her love for Amanda Palmer or Felicia Day is to say she’d do them, well, that’s kind of sad.
October 14, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Thanks. I hadn’t meant to really criticize, to I was surprised. But really, the “undermine your piece” probably has more to do with my perspective — in that… this is Your Blog, not an op-ed in the Times, so the point is supposed to be your thoughts on something that happened, not a platform on which to argue people into seeing a point of view that wouldn’t normally be your audience. So really, the idea that it would “undermine your piece” says more about what kind of writing I do normally, instead of commenting on blogs.
But for what it’s worth, I don’t pipe up over here often, but I do enjoy reading your blog.