June 24, 2009...9:09 pm

Good Arguments

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Recently I received some plaintive emails from some hapless lover of sane argument and sane sanity, saying, Bitchy Jones, please come and be on Fetlife and be interesting and engaging on Fetlife.

I said no. I’m mean. But also, Fetlife is horrible.

I do sometimes type my name into the search on Informed Consent. IC is like Fetlife except it does not have white text on a black background and so is infinitely superior. (Seriously how long have we had computers with monitors for? Why is it still even possible to make websites with white text on a black background?)

But yeah, anyway, I do that and I am glad I do because then I find stuff like this

I click-stumbled over a thread about forced fem (quick, moar pink nylon on the men, I heard a woman somewhere in the world might be finding this hot), where some sanes were good enough to cite me as the only fucker who talks any sense on this subject ever. Now, I’m often coming across what I proclaim out loud (to no one but the whirring of my laptop’s fan) as the best defence of forced fem in the world ever. But surely, surely, this has to be the best defence of forced fem in the world ever. I take it all back. For serious, colour me told: a man dressing up as a woman for the purposes of degredation is not misogynistic because:

(Seriously, pause, make a drum roll sound or something, gird things, brace self)

It’s nothing to do with females being held in lower esteem than men. Really if that were the case they would not be approaching what they mistakenly believed to be a female dominant.

It sort of reminds me of a previous post about cuckolding because a guy found it a turn on for his wife to be fucked by a black guy. Many jumped the gun with the race card and how it was degrading for him to see his wife fucked by a black guy. When infact it’s actually the stereotype of a physically superior male the guy was getting off on.

Oh, well if it was *that* racial stereotype that’s, of course, fine. That’s the good kind of racism. I expect all those foolish gun jumpers who called this person as if they were exhibiting *bad* racism feel like idiots now.

Good racism. That’s what we need more of. I bet the people who try and defend forced fem as not misogynistic but being about ‘being less of a man and having my masculinity taken away and being a slut and being ridiculous and, and, and OH FUCKING SHUT UP BITCHY JONES, JUST SHUT UP, are delighted to have this argument to add to there arsenal of utterly thoroughly convincingly utterly throughly extremely good pro-forced fem good arguments.

(The best of these is probably ‘Women wear trousers!’ Because when you’re trying to deconstruct and evaluate what the position in femdom of forced feminisation as a way of diminishing men and what kind of ideas about men and women it reflects and endorses there really is nothing like an irrelevant non-sequitur to stop you in your misguided tracks.)

I have no idea what the person who posted this is really trying to say in the first paragraph before the weird stuff about race. But, whatever it is I’m sure I have it all wrong. So, it’s pure guesswork but I think he means that forced fem isn’t misogynistic because it is based on thinking women are inferior *but* *also* superior, which is just great. It would probably just be spoiling things if I said I’d like my kink to think of women as human beings rather than whatever fits the fantasy from a grab bag of stereotypes of goddesses and sluts, but hey.

Anyway, that’s the kind of slippery slope that might lead to me wanting control over my own reproductive system and the vote or some other krazy dreamtime.

And – cuh – chanow, any prejudices and horribles you see in kink are just fine and okay, no really, because they turn people on, which means there’s no possible political or sociological agenda to them. And if you’re offended by the casual denigration of black people or women by a bunch of straight white men, just shut the fuck right up, okay, because these straight white men are actually perverts and therefore horribly oppressed in ways you couldn’t possibly begin to imagine. And stereotyping black men as ‘physically superior’ fuck machines and animalistic, white-woman-raping mandingoes is, in fact, the opposite of racism. The opposite of bad racism that is.

If only there were more of this big black cock for my slut wife style cuckolding (like there’s any other style? Like that could be called a ‘style’?) going on I expect the world would finally be in peace and harmony; probably just like fucking piano keys do or something else black and white. Say, penguins. At the very least we’ll all be too busy to be hating each other what with the white women getting fucked by the black men and the white men looking on and wanking.

(Obviously, we can ignore black women. It’s fine, there’s a social precedent for just carrying on as if women of colour don’t exist anyway. They’ll be alright, having a great time getting physically superior fucking off of black men, I expect. Well, until those black men realise they could be doing it with white women! But that’s just the tough breaks, I guess. (Someone call Kanye West! I’ve figured out an ending for that song.))

Oh world of perverted sex, this is why you still need me. Even after all these years. And I am as sad for you as anyone that you need a whiny, ugly, woollily liberal, bad-hearted, profanity-ridden anti-capitalist dominatrix to save you.
But someone has to collect these things and half-arsedly post them on a free blogging platform and ridicule them in front of a handful of lazy, uninterested bored office workers who’ve mistyped something into google. And if not me, then who, baby? Then who?

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17 Comments

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    I’m glad someone else has noticed the reverse racism thing going on! If you got enough time to stand around figuring out the merits of the colour of the cock, well, you ain’t doing the right thing with it at all ;)

  • writingtheotherside

    Not that I feel Forced Fem is in any way a good thing, but perhaps he is trying to say that being put in a dress is not about dressing like a woman, it is being dressed like a pretty shiny frilly princess. Which is in no way like a real woman anyway, which explains why it’s degrading. Except that it is what 5-year-old girls are taught is the best of the best to be.

  • Are we allowed to make our subs dress up in dresses and corsets because we think it’s hot and or pretty? Because we kink on androgyny?

    Nah. I love making a pretty male sub dress up in make up and frills. Not because it degrades him, but because I like the way it looks and it turns me on.

  • As a mostly straight man, I’d agree that androgynous llooks, on men or women, are damn attractive. But that’s entirely separate from humiliation. If someone gets off on being dressed as Random Stereotype X because it is humiliating, then that tells you an awful lot about their attitude to that stereotype.

    I used to spend too much time on IC when I had nothing better to do. It really is a bad advertisement for kinky people, and the thought that maybe kinky people can be anything other that bargepoletastic.

  • Bitchy, just thought you might be interested in this new magazine:

    http://www.filamentmagazine.com/

    I’d love it if you wrote for it and the article was accompanied by pictures of beautiful, bound men.

  • Love you, Bitchy, as usual. My “Nigel” claims he’s into forced-femme because it’s just something different and taboo. I can’t get him to see the connection between “different and taboo” and girls-as-inferior cultural standards. Oh well. Also, the Kanye West ref.: you’re pitch perfect, lol.

  • I wouldn’t mind being forcibly feminised if it was just about having people give me free drinks in the boozer, but I draw the line at spending hours wandering aimlessly around shops, worrying about body hair, being interested in Colleen Rooney and viewing going to the hair salon as recreational time! As for the whole cuckolding thing, I suppose it is racist but if your girlfriend is a bit ropey I like to think of it more as effective time management, I mean you don’t actually have to be there when he is screwing your wife do you? Couldn’t she just text you at the pub to let you know how she is getting on?

  • I love the interracial cuckolding fantasy. It’s just a fantasy, I haven’t done it yet. I know it’s judged negatively by a lot of people, but it turns me on and I’m not hurting anybody, so I’m going to continue to enjoy it for as long as it turns me on. Personally, I’m not interested in seeing the black man, or woman, degraded. I’d rather see them put on a pedestal. It’s the cuck that’s supposed to be degraded, not the woman and her lover!

    For me, cuckoldry is about humiliation. It’s about being with a woman who wants to fuck other men. I want to feel inferior, that’s what turns me on. As a white male cuckold wannabe, a well endowed, well built black man is the perfect “bull” because he’s the opposite of me. He’s black, I’m white, he’s well endowed, I’m average, he’s muscular, I’m not. It’s that contrast between the bull and the cuck that is so crucial. It’s just not the same if the bull is white, it just doesn’t do it for me and there is nothing I can do about that, and there’s nothing I want to do about that.

  • Jordan, wouldn’t it be more humiliating for you if a white guy was screwing your partner? I mean loads of girls have this black male fantasy, and I suppose tons of white guys have the asian girl fantasy. There is nothing you can do about the fact that you are not black, but surely it is more humiliating when a more successful, better endowed guy who is similar to you takes your wife and she agrees to it? I do understand what you say about the contrast between you and the other guy so maybe it is that contrast that makes it a fantasy. Perhaps the alternative of someone of the same race is too much in the realm of possibility. I don’t know it has never been one of my fantasies to watch my girlfriend screwed by someone else but judging by the amount of porn available, (pure science, see), it is a very common fantasy. what I want to know is if you are a cuckold, are you submissive to your wife or the other guy or both?

  • The best argument I’ve seen defending forced fem argued from the position, “being forced to dress up as something I’m not.” The logic seemed to be: If I feel strongly that I am X, then it is naturally humiliating to be treated as fundamentally not-X, and to be made to identify myself as not-X.

    Not going to say that this doesn’t still seem pretty disingenuous (if you were solid in your identity as X, and didn’t think it was shameful to be not-X, why would it bother you to be treated as not-X?). But then, maybe half the point here is lacking a solid personal identity as a man.

    Re: the cuck thing. Is that a common fantasy at all in the UK? Because I thought that was pretty U.S.-specific, but I wouldn’t know. Hung is a pretty good book about the myth of the, “physically superior” (i.e. well-hung, as well as athletic and highly sexual) black man. But it is U.S.-centric.

  • What would your suggestion be to people who were turned on by this? Stop performing such acts because they’re politically incorrect or reveal a deeper racism or sexism? Do the people who are into these things reveal deep flaws in their character because of their desires?

  • Gorgias, I can’t speak for Bitchy, but my suggestion would be “be aware that your kink is a reflection of one of the many ways that this society is deeply fucked up, and maybe do something towards improving the larger picture so that your happy kinky fun times can REALLY be just a game.”

  • “a guy found it a turn on for his wife to be fucked by a black guy.”

    Note that the woman is just a means to the end of the man’s excitement here.

  • Jordan are you naming yourself after that unfortunate baloon person who has a Black kid?

    How about a white male rascist who has the person who he is supposed to love but thinks of as a tool for his fantasies fucked by a superior brained Black man.
    I.e someone with at least half a brain. He demonstrates his superiority by showing he loves and respects the now former wife who leaves the useless white mysoginistic rascist who is to dumb to realise he’s retarded.

  • “Unfortunate baloon person who has a Black kid,” what the hell are you talking about??

    I’m definitely not “dumb” or “retarded.” I don’t consider myself a racist or a misogynist, but I guess that’s open to interpretation. I’m not a hateful person. I’m not angry. I don’t feel any hate towards black people or women. I know that with full certainty.

    (Oh and BTW, before you call anyone else dumb or retarded, you should probably learn how to spell “balloon,” “racist,” and “misogynist.” Just a heads up.)

    How about you stop insulting people and just relax? Why are you so judgmental? It’s just a fantasy. People have all sorts of fantasies. Some women have rape fantasies. No woman wants to actually be raped, it’s just a fantasy. What do you think about S&M? Is it wrong for one person to inflict pain on the person they love? It’s just sex. It’s all in good fun. Relax.

  • Firstly, the article was superfantastic …

    Secondly, Jordan, did you actually read it or did you just want to spout about your own personal wankmaterial? Bitchy’s *exact* argument was that placing disadvataged people on a pedestal is just as degrading as thinking of them as inferior. Moreover, the stereotype of the animalistic, muscular, hypersexualised black man is so incredibly racist, I am in shock that any white person can cheerfully proclaim their pleasure in it without examining the consequences.

    You don’t *hate* women or black people? Oh, well done!!! Now realise that a lot of what you’ve said on this page, whether explicitly or inadvertently, is really quite racist and sexist. Next.

    And, @Gorgias, I would indeed suggest that people who are turned on by rape fantasies, racist stereotypes, humiliation of women or even a bit of boring old consensual sadomasochism should be able to have a long, hard look at their fantasies and figure out what they mean about themselves and their attitudes. I’m not saying that all pervs are flawed – I’m saying all ethical pervs should be willing to examine their perversions, especially those which invole power or pain (so… all of them, usually!). So, Rikibeth has hit the nail on the head.

  • I like dressing up men as women. Don’t know why, it does something for me. Eyeliner, too. Tear-enhancement aside, it looks good. Wrong good.

    What KILLLLLLLLLLLS the enjoyment I have is when a man will talk about feminization in a way that turns my enjoyment into his own Freudian bag of nightmare.

    Here’s a mishmash of oft-repeated things men say when they start talking about being feminized (the list that, yanno, KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLS my enjoyment), and note the logic chain that makes it hard for me to argue with your forced-fem-as-female=sub-reinforcement: “I want to look like a woman, a slut, a bimbo. Make me into a slut, degrade me.”

    Blah.


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